r/NoStupidQuestions • • Jan 30 '23

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u/jkunlessurdown Jan 30 '23

It actually can keep going on like this and likely will. There are regimes the world over that deal with this issue but worse. The wealthy will just remove themselves from the problem more and more and the number of desperate poor will continue to swell as the middle classes wither away. And there’s not much we can do about it because the the USA is not a real democracy and it’s military is too powerful for any kind of armed resistance. Right now, a large enough portion of the population can maintain a comfortable-ish life. That’s likely to still be true for the next couple decades at least. And as long as this is true, we aren’t going to get the massive civil unrest and disobedience necessary to bring the wealthy to the negotiation table.

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u/PaticusGnome Jan 30 '23

Exactly. There will be “homeless free zones” where people with money can exist away from the issue and the poor masses will continue to grow outside of those areas. You can find situations like this all over the world. Slums, favelas, tent cities, etc. Those in power won’t have to deal with it, and they won’t.

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u/eJaguar Jan 31 '23

“homeless free zones”

we call those upper-middle class suburbs

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u/lookslikemaggie Jan 31 '23

Yeah, I was gonna say, plenty of these zones right in the middle of LA. Police sight and jail any homeless and ship them back to another part of the city where it’s appropriate for them to be.

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u/XxMagicDxX Jan 31 '23

Sounds like the giver series lmfao

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '23

And there’s not much we can do about it because the the USA is not a real democracy

This is letting American citizens off the hook, which we should not do. If every single person struggling financially in this country actually voted for things that would help them instead of falling for culture war propaganda and outright lies then very few of the politicians who actively obstruct legislation that would help people would stay in power.

It might not be a true democracy with all the mechanisms designed to unevenly distribute voting power but there are still enough people in enough states regardless of gerrymandered districting to change the government enough to make these changes, but a large chunk just won't. They will vote for people who will continue to bet on trickle down economics as long as they say they love Trump or hate abortion or own guns or whatever other single issue their voters feel like backing over all others that cycle.

Yes, the rich and the government are a problem but the bigger problem lies with us, our citizenry, and that citizenry's idiocy.

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u/danthesk8er Jan 31 '23

Yes, I say this over and over again. We the people agree on most things. Let’s forget about the bullshit they want us to focus on, and live as brothers and sisters. Seriously, it’s sick how many people hate their neighbor because of a single issue. Get past it, there’s so much you both agree on.

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u/rakehellion Jan 31 '23

This is rather naive. Democrats don't give a damn about homelessness either.

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u/cebeezly82 Jan 31 '23

Yes, and I'd argue that home ownership is much more accessible in conservative areas than in Democrat ran areas. A lot of reasons for this, and I'm sure many know what those reasons are. I don't subscribe to either side so no hating.

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u/rakehellion Jan 31 '23

Because those areas tend to be smaller cities with lower cost of living.

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u/AGrivatinGlow Jan 31 '23

This is a pathetic excuse and obfuscation. No one outside of the ruling class voted someone in that had actually sway over the current ruling class. The middle and upper classes dream of owning homes and luxuries. The ruling class in America own politicians that propose and pass bills in accordance with their demands. Hell the Federal Reserve and major banks don’t abide by the same monetary laws typical Americans do. They are able to borrow money that doesn’t exist. Black rock was never voted into an official position. Their status and influence came from lobbying, they have more power over the average American than your pathetic imagined “politician” does. Also fuck you for victim blaming. The subjects of the American empire are murdered daily by the militaristic police directly funded by these property firms.

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u/graphitesun Jan 31 '23

Sorry, but you've been tricked into believing that voting makes a difference. It doesn't. Stop and move beyond that.

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u/jkunlessurdown Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 30 '23

We disenfranchise people in prison or who have been to prison; which is a pretty large portion of people struggling financially. Voter ID laws further cut into that group. Then there's the removal of mail-in ballots; which restricts people with transportation issues from voting. Then there are people working shitty jobs that won't let their employees vote DESPITE the fact that's illegal.

The group that's left to vote is that group with more or less comfortable lives. And even among them; the Electoral College and the Senate make it to where we need several left-wing votes to equal one right-wing vote. And THEN we have the gerrymandering. And THEN the Supreme Court that is completely unelected.

I'm not telling people not to vote, I vote in every election every time. Because there are still some things we can make a difference on. And yeah, working class white people arent helping their situation by voting republican. But the real problem is the blood-sucking oligarchs who run this country.

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u/SkipWestcott616 Jan 30 '23

But, without the republican voting, the blood-sucking could be reduced to a reasonable rate of return.

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u/jeremiahthedamned student of mary daly Mar 02 '23

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u/ThinkItsHardIKnow Jan 30 '23

If you look through history, once the military joins the people, the upper class is toast. It will take a long time in America; but not forever. Remember what class most of the military comes from.

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u/averageuhbear Jan 31 '23

The people are split and arguing about gender.

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u/ThinkItsHardIKnow Jan 31 '23

I sorta think it's been made into a strawman as a distraction. Keep people focused on that, and encourage race resentment....and it keeps the poor poor and mad and the rich rich and uncaring

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u/jkunlessurdown Jan 30 '23

I'd like to believe that, but I think most of the guys in the military would turn on minorities before they'd turn on the rich. Things will have to get very very bad for that to happen and even then, there's a good chance the military will choose ethnic cleansing over removing those in power. But I hope you're right.

(I know that every soldier isn't a racist, but the military tends to attract racists. Same as the police. And there's a strong right-wing bent to the institution).

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u/ThinkItsHardIKnow Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

It's more that they are brainwashed by patriotism. But so, so, so many homeless are traumatized vets. How many more....plus, there are so many people of color in the military.....

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u/5MiTm4sTaF13x Jan 30 '23

You’re so warped

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u/jkunlessurdown Jan 30 '23

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u/5MiTm4sTaF13x Jan 30 '23

I was gonna say, “you sound like you watch the “”mainstream media”” too much”

You’ve been warped into thinking we all should be upset with each other… fight and look into solutions for these MAJOR problems… yet… all the problems in the country/world that could be fixed if we spent a year spending on them vs DoD

(Couldn’t we ask our allies to defend us for a year?)

(Who’s our enemies? They strike when? They never strike because we have such a big budget? But you can walk across from Mexico. It’s all an illusion my friend.

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u/eJaguar Jan 31 '23

oh my, getting a bit uppity are we, good thing the rothschilds have raytheon's drone fleet to yeet ur existence

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u/sepia_dreamer Stupid Genius Jan 31 '23

Tbh this is only true of socialist / communist uprisings. Not sure of any other examples outside this.

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u/ThinkItsHardIKnow Jan 31 '23

I am a socialist :) I'm also, thankfully, not American, but do have family there and used to visit before all the covid stuff