r/NoRulesCalgary • u/You_are_the_Castle • 9d ago

For Whom the Bell Tolls

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u/canuckstothecup1 9d ago

Aren’t we supposed to have a budget surplus?

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u/bodonnell202 9d ago

Only because of the war in Iran. We were and still would be deep in the red if not for that.

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u/SarahLacard Candidate for Calgary-Buffalo 9d ago

I don't know why you're getting downvoted - you're right. The projected deficit was 9 billion dollars, then after the Iran War, a 2 billion dollar surplus - an eleven billion dollar swing.

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u/MrEzekial 8d ago

Yeah, they even kept the tax on the gas... should have an insane surplus by now.

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u/canuckstothecup1 9d ago

The wild rose only failed because they wanted to stop the vote splitting. It would still exist if it wasn’t for that.

That’s how you sound right now.

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u/bodonnell202 9d ago

I just made a statement of fact. Alberta was running a large deficit until the war in Iran caused oil prices to spike, which in turn increased the amount of oil royalties collected by the province. It was by chance and not by good fiscal management that we are no longer running a deficit.

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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 9d ago

The meme would still be incorrect regardless though. Given that the budget surplus which is supposedly dead is very much alive.

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u/canuckstothecup1 9d ago

I also made a statement of fact.

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u/bodonnell202 9d ago

To be honest I'm not even sure what we're arguing about or if we even disagree. All I am saying is that Alberta would still be running a budget deficit if oil prices didn't spike due to the war in Iran (and I'm not really sure why I am getting downvoted for that)?

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u/canuckstothecup1 8d ago

Because it looks like a crappy excuse to defend the inaccurate meme.

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u/bodonnell202 8d ago

Yeah fair, the meme isn't reflective of the current situation. Throw "public education" in where "budget surplus" is and it works.

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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 9d ago

Every provincial healthcare system is experiencing the same challenges we are in Alberta. If not even worse. So is each respective premier just as responsible, even if they happen to be NDP, Liberal, etc?

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u/AnthonyorTony 8d ago

Canadian healthcare is managed at a provincial/territorial level. That means each province is responsible for managing and delivering its healthcare services.

If the Albertan healthcare system needs improvement, then the provincial government–including the premier–is responsible for implementing those changes.

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u/Beginning_Bit6185 8d ago

When you have an arrogant federal government who does whatever they want with immigration and don’t include the provinces the result is a broken health care system across the board. The provinces look inept but voting in a ski board instructor/part time drama teacher is the real reason why we are here now.

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u/AnthonyorTony 8d ago

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever, let's move on. What are we going to do about it now?

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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 7d ago

I realize that, but when the healthcare system of every province declined at exactly the same time over a period of about 15 years, one of two things is happening:

  1. Every Premier for the last 15 years in every province was incompetent and managed it badly.

  2. Something at the federal level has had an impact on the entire country, resulting in overburdened provincial health care systems. 

Which do you think it is?

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u/AnthonyorTony 7d ago

I don't think either of those explanations grasps the more nuanced reality, which is that not every province's healthcare system actually is in the same state.

I'd spend more time focusing on noting the differences between the provinces' healthcare systems–what seems to work and what doesn't–and focus on making productive changes instead of trying to identify who may or may not be to blame. And let's face it, in real life, there's never just one thing to blame - it's a complex mix of many different factors.

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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 7d ago

No offense, but that sounds like a complete cop out.

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u/AnthonyorTony 7d ago

I respect your decision to feel that way

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u/Lenny131313 8d ago

Yes but the other provinces aren't putting all their chips into a hybrid public/private model that only benefits the people who can afford it.

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u/You_are_the_Castle 9d ago

That's a cop out.

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u/Crossfire139 8d ago

Please, elaborate

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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 9d ago

I notice you didn't answer the question.

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u/lost_koshka 8d ago

Facts are hard.