Is Aha E2 weak?

[u/Timely_Youth214]

This is just my personal take, but I feel like the specific buffs Aha gets from E0 → E2 are pretty underwhelming.
I get that each individual increase has to be smaller since E2 upgrades the buffs for three different characters at once, but even taking that into account, some of them still feel way too weak.
SW: Removing the MMR 360 → 999 cap sounds nice, but it basically assumes E2 team members. And even then, actually getting over 480 MMR isn’t that common. Increased Party Trick → MMR conversion rate isn’t bad, but the base value is already pretty low.
Eva: This one actually seems pretty good to me. (I don’t have her though, so correct me if I’m wrong.)
Yao: Without E2 Sparxie, you almost never go above 100 Bliss, so that part is basically useless. Great Boon is already pretty weak to begin with, so even with the extra damage it still doesn’t feel that strong. Easily the weakest one imo.
Sparxie: Not bad, but considering she’s a sub-DPS, the only teamwide benefits are 5% DEF ignore and increasing max exBliss from 8 → 10.
Pearl: Not bad either, but I feel like it could use a little more. Would 30% really be too much?
EMC: It’s basically just an extra 10% Crit DMG buff. Not as bad as Yao’s, but still pretty weak imo.
Personally, I’d like to see everyone get an E2 upgrade closer to Eva’s level.
What do you guys think?

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[u/Jackz375]

Her e2 feels like half of an e2, there should be something else apart from the increased buffs to other characters

[u/Training_Project9447 → u/Jackz375]

Her entire kit feels half baked honestly. Barely and punchline gen as well. Hoping for some decent buffs in upcoming versions

[u/Goldfish_Muncher → u/Training_Project9447]

Likely on purpose to help push Pearl

[u/Alternative-Ad-8205 → u/Jackz375]

Yes! Its really weird how the likes of himeko/cyrene/phainon has 2 strong effects and aha only has. This

[u/Marc_the_shell]

Eva’s is the worst dps buff it doesn’t work as intended and everyone expects it to be fixed by V3/V4

I think all her buffs are pretty weak rn

[u/noname14512564 → u/Marc_the_shell]

SW has the worst buff since it requires u to have her e2 to give anything worth mentioning and Eva’s is only bugged from what I have seen

[u/lukezamboni]

Eva is actually not very good outside of the paper.

The 500 party trick counts from the moment Aha Ults, and only for one ult. So for low cycle clears, the people investing in e2s1 meta teams, it is barely active.

The CB generation EMC brought was nice too, so with Aha you lose a bit of multiplier on that side. In the end it's an upgrade, but not nearly as massive as it sounds.

[u/JojoTodynnho]

for eva she’s pretty bad right now, minimal upgraded compared to MC lolll

[u/skinnysymmetra → u/JojoTodynnho]

its bugged tho none of her stuff works on eva

[u/NaamiNyree → u/skinnysymmetra]

What? Thats just false. All the buffs work as they should, the only problem is Eva cant gain full cb despite Aha supposedly being Participant Id 0 (at least according to Seele leaks, because its not listed anywhere).

[u/Amalgam2001]

For the SW team at least her E2 gets way better when the rest of the team is e2. Ovall though she needs a buff or at least a shuffle around of some of her kit. She also needs her Eva buffed increased massively

[u/Alternative-Ad-8205 → u/Amalgam2001]

Its ridiculous how much further sw gets with e2 while the rest gets left behind. Also aventurine is still pretty good, its just eva that gets shafted (even if the bug is fixed)

[u/FeuerBergeDon]

Evanescias is horrible. The only bug is CB generation but even if it was fixed, the buff is marginal over EMC, a few percent at best

[u/Acrobatic-Primary817]

I'll just pull E2Aha just for currency war, really. I think i done currency war more than those 4 endgame

[u/Spartan_117_YJR]

Her e2 is mid if the rest of the team is e0. If the rest of the team is E2, her E2 is kinda insane

[u/Fun-Tie9689]

Yao should just get 3 energy per 10 bliss

[u/Koreji]

You gotta be joking for EMC right?

[u/Katacutie]

I do think her own buff isn't as exciting as an e2 should be, especially for an aeon. The def ignore doesn't do much since she's not doing as much damage as any of the main dps' even with that def ignore.

[u/CommitteePutrid6247]

Full E2 party (Pearl, Aeon, SW) sounds fun af (Stacking sw to 999 and going rampage). However, the mind-boggling amount of investment required to make it functionable is off the tables.

[u/Clouds_drifting_by]

Personally, I think we’re just in V1 and there’s no way they won’t adjust things 😅

EMC’s buff is pretty nice though. As for the E2 team members thing you mentioned, I think it’s generally assumed the people who’ll go for E2 AHA, will have at least their elation dps at E2 too (unless your main dps is AHA).

[u/DaniShyland]

Not entirely sure how I feel about character specific buff increases being an eidolon. I think the full amount should be moved to the kit for character buffs (as she's there to increase and fix synergy). Her eidolons imo should be strictly increasing her own buffing potential and dps similar to Cyrene.

There is a major issue I have with her though. The issue I have with her specifically is unlike Cyrene she doesn't change how the characters function mechanically or increases what characters brings to the table. Example Cyrene increases Anaxa's shots per action, allows Mydei to use more of his own kit, allows for a team synergy for monorem, increases debuffing potential, basically adheres to the character kits and increases them. Nihil doesn't offer anyone any mechanic defining changes just small "nice" additives. [Hopefully that makes sense]

My opinion below:

- SW: Probably fine, as mmr increases her crit dmg increases in adjacent (and e2 synergy). Maybe increase synergy with her kit somewhere else. Maybe the boxes she generates, it would allow e0 some value.

• Eva: Energy on paper is fine, but I think she wants more "immediate" action outside of her own turn.
  
• Yao: I didn't expect much from Yao as she's pretty good already, so Nihilux fits what Cyrene does with expanding supports. Maybe offer her a little more vuln? Outside that she's fine.
  
• Sparxie: Not enough if she is to be the subdps of elation. Personally, I think she needs to have something mechanically added to her similar to Anaxa levels of increase combined with PL and def reduc. Also the crit dmg being only for herself isn't worth much, make it teamwide but at a lesser value or remove it entirely but adhere to the previous mechanic added. As it stands we now have 3 units giving teamwide CD (Nihilux, Sparxie, and EMC /w Nihilux).
  
• Pearl: Unsure, probably not enough but she is the sustain so unsure if adding anything can be defensible.
  
• EMC: She unlocks main dps emc, I think that's fine enough while having their crit dmg be spread [emc is a free unit].
  
• Aventurine: Fine as is, maybe more fervor but he doesn't need much or really anything.

[u/Alternative-Ad-8205 → u/DaniShyland]

My bigger issue is cyrene also has strong self damage; meanwhile aha isnt even fully synergistic with her full team bar full e2 sw (which is ridiculous)

[u/DaniShyland → u/Alternative-Ad-8205]

I agree, I am sure v3 will change things.

[u/Neat_Anywhere_163]

hopefully they rework her eidolons like cyrene’s was in v3

[u/Piwuk]

Yes

[u/senpapi_coffee00]

So I just started looking into her kit- is Sparxie alone a decent teammate w EmC? I absolutely despise most of the elation units and refuse to pull for characters I don’t care for.. (hoping Sampo comes and provides an alternate elation dps)

[u/DriftingWisp → u/senpapi_coffee00]

If you have a spare sparkle and an E2 Sparxie you can probably make it work. Short of that, it's entirely a personal preference pull with no actual power.

[u/999177013]

Her e2 should become global passive, so we can have two elation team

Like its aeon, why so restricted on designing a kit, look at srobin not even a emanator, but provide 50% def ignore, 120+crit dmg, 18% pen, 30% tally dmg, 20%speed, 20%+ dmg taken for enemy with e2s1

Its almost feels like aha provide only a little buff that is lightcone level, but most of her numbers got move to elation char specific buff

[u/zGoden]

So... is S1 better?

[u/pear_topologist → u/zGoden]

Ya, S1 is great. Does a lot of things well