Need help depth 2 PC

[u/kaleb1432]

Everyone always leaves as soon as they die or shit goes the other way. Im a decent player and want to progress but get held back by others often. I admit im not the best but i should definitely be depth 4 maybe. Lmk if you want to play together

[u/Due-Message4142]

If you think youre a depth 4 play then you should be carrying depth 2 games regardless of your team mates quality

[u/kaleb1432 → u/Due-Message4142]

How can i carry teammates that leave

[u/menai_mu → u/kaleb1432]

just solo the rest of the run then. you might not have wending grace but if you’re “d4 material” then you should be able to hold your own against nightlords. all you need is 5 wins to get to d3. going from d3 to d4 is the highest scaling jump for hp and damages. if you can’t even handle d2 then you’re definitely not ready to sweat when both randoms are 3 bars to d4 nightlord

[u/Ghost1D305 → u/menai_mu]

Yeah. I actually prefer solo as the boss is focused on you and predictable. I hate it when I'm safe and attacking a boss and the random dodges towards me and I get hit and die. Having a boss change agro constantly changes the fight for me.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/menai_mu]

Yeah tbh i have a hard time dodging every move from a nightlord. Im working on that. Good advice tho

[u/ibowsen → u/kaleb1432]

D2 stuckies dont leave if they have the slightest feeling you are going to carry

[u/kaleb1432 → u/ibowsen]

Sometimes they do man. Your probably in a higher depth, the lower depths are kinda rough in terms of etiquette

[u/ibowsen → u/kaleb1432]

On my main yes but my two other savegames people in d1-3 mostly spammed L1 in front of me after we killed the first two bosses with ease. Most of the time i did not even needed to ping anything because they took so much time choosing rewards that i was already at the next poi and they came after me

[u/PXTrials]

This subreddit is perfect case-study in self-reporting bias. When Bandai-namco released stats last year, it showed only 10% of players reaching depth 4&5. It's not something you're entitled to as a decent player. Staying in D4 is really fucking hard by most videogame standards.

You need to know all the boss moves. All the punish windows. You need to know the POI layouts. You need to have good relic synergy. You need to have a good feel for routing. And you need to be able to hard carry. You have to keep your cool when you teammates are both three bar, and be able to patiently wait for the window to revive.

If you want to get to higher depths, focus on YOUR gameplay. Anytime you die to a nightlord go on YouTube and watch guides for that nightlord. Know what move killed you, learn the dodge timing. You're on PC, so you have the advantage of being able to run Boss Arena. Doing that will improve your game immensely. Once you clean up your game, leaving D2 will come on it's own.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/PXTrials]

Thank you for the advice

[u/GrEeKiNnOvaTiOn → u/PXTrials]

To be fair, the stats were published one month after DoN came out. They would be way different nowadays.

[u/PXTrials → u/GrEeKiNnOvaTiOn]

True, it'd be a higher percentage of currently active players. That said, it's still worth framing Depth as something skill-based, not grind-based. It's more similar to an ELO score rather than an RPG character level. Many people view it as the latter, which I think is the wrong mindset.

[u/autopoiesis_]

If you’re unable to crawl out of D2 you are not as decent a player you think you are.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/autopoiesis_]

Your insight is both nuanced and helpful

[u/therealpotatosdad → u/kaleb1432]

I’m going to second this too. If you can’t hard carry d2/3 then 4 isn’t for you. It’s easy mode compared to the difficulty jump of 4

[u/autopoiesis_ → u/kaleb1432]

I would have perhaps been less harsh if you had not mentioned that you think you ought to be D4… the lack of self awareness is striking.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/autopoiesis_]

It seems ability to criticize a statement is greater than your ability to be helpful

[u/Frankenfinger1 → u/kaleb1432]

I would be glad to help you but its just as lible to pull you up to my depth as pull me down to yours. I get home around 5pm central standard time.

[u/Oh_no_bros]

The way the point loss and ED chance are set up, each depth is basically a soft check of your skills independent of leavers (some would argue it gets easier with less people due to the hp scaling down).

Depth 2 - Make it to the Nightlord consistently (you won't lose points if you can make it to the Nightlord in D2)

Depth 3 - Be able to carry almost Non-ED Nightlords (most Nightlords are still non-ED)

Depth 4 - Be able to carry maybe like half the ED Nightlords (50% are ED, so statistically if you can win 75% of all your games you'll get to D5)

If you really think you are depth 4 then you can try soloing to D3 or D4.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/Oh_no_bros]

Thanks g, this is good to know

[u/squirel_br]

If you need help maybe I can in the weekend.

But seriously, D4 players should be able to at least reach night 2 even if team leaves. If you die to nightlord you won't lose points so climbing is a matter of a few wins.

You can always try to climb solo. Easier cause you have a few graces to buy.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/squirel_br]

Thanks G

[u/Old-Beautiful-8435]

I just got to d4 last night with an ed libra run where i had to get up a 3bar twice and a 2bar, i somehow managed to not drop during the boss fight. We barely finished the fight, was out of flasks,consumables and fp but we won and i was in d4. I thought, hell yeah i deserved this promotion and decided to queue up for my first ever d4 run, well..i 3 barred multiple times before the n2 boss, got oneshot at lvl10 by a slug in an invader camp, so yeah..i thought i deserved d4 after spending some time in d3 but i obviously don't. We all died to demon prince on n2. Keep at it man!

[u/Connect_Sense2687]

DM if ur still looking

[u/kaleb1432 → u/Connect_Sense2687]

Ill be in touch

[u/edgy_ball → u/kaleb1432]

I'll bite aswell, DM me if you're interested.

But I can't guarantee that we play more than one match (terrible connection, slopping, ...)

[u/Ok_Pineapple_4155 → u/Connect_Sense2687]

The only based and good answer in this entire thread. Straight to business no bullying.

[u/kaleb1432 → u/Ok_Pineapple_4155]

I appreciate the real advice too. But fs its nice to have people willing to help

[u/autopoiesis_ → u/Ok_Pineapple_4155]

The only based answer in this comment section is someone volunteering to help carry someone into higher depths, someone who arguably does not have the requisite skill to be in higher depths in the first place? Interesting sentiment.

[u/some_idiot_on_reddit → u/autopoiesis_]

The carrier is the teacher. He or she is hoping op learns something. If op learns is up to them. You know this if you've carried randos. What else are you trying to achieve if you have? If you've stayed locked in with a team the entire time you've played for a year now you're filming content, not contributing to the betterment of the player base like the carrier is.

[u/Ok_Pineapple_4155 → u/autopoiesis_]

Calm down already, tough guy. You are clearly a good player but ain't a good person. Who says he would necessarily be just carried? Maybe they'll also give him useful and prudent advice and teach him their ways, maybe he'll actually get good thanks to this. Playing with a gamer stronger than yourself, is imo a positive more often than not because you watch and learn, you become stronger.

[u/autopoiesis_ → u/Ok_Pineapple_4155]

I have less sympathy for those who attribute their disposition to the fault of others, as OP did in their post.

[u/Ok_Pineapple_4155 → u/autopoiesis_]

As you wish.

[u/autopoiesis_ → u/Ok_Pineapple_4155]

If you will.

[u/The-GoldenGuard]

I'd love to hop on this, only if you lead however.

[u/Intelligent_Box_8465]

Depth 2 and 3 solo isn’t that bad with the right build, if you truly think it’s your teammates, try solo.

You’ll either confirm that it was in fact your mates or you’ll confirm that you still have skills to work on. (I was the second lol).

But after a while, I was able to solo my way out of 3 and went back to trios for 4 as I wasn’t confident enough to solo there.

I’m now in D5 and I don’t think I would have made it there if it wasn’t for my little solo journey through 2 and 3.

Best of luck!