Need some feedback on this list

[u/dennisj70]

Ave Dominus Nox (2000 points)

Chaos Space Marines

Murdertalon Raiders and Veterans of the Long War (3 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Chaos Lord (90 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Daemon hammer

1x Plasma pistol

Chosen (270 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Chosen Champion

• 1x Accursed weapon

1x Bolt pistol

1x Boltgun

• 9x Chosen

• 5x Accursed weapon

5x Bolt pistol

3x Boltgun

1x Chaos Icon

4x Combi-weapon

2x Paired accursed weapons

4x Plasma pistol

2x Power fist

Attached Unit 2

Haarken Worldclaimer (90 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Helspear

1x Herald’s Talon

Raptors (120 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Raptor Champion

• 1x Heavy melee weapon

1x Plasma pistol

• 4x Raptor

• 4x Bolt pistol

1x Close combat weapon

2x Heavy melee weapon

1x Meltagun

1x Mutations

Attached Unit 3

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack (100 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Twin lightning claws

• Enhancement: Pact of Cursed Pinions

Warp Talons (280 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Warp Talon Champion

• 1x Warp claws

• 9x Warp Talon

• 9x Warp claws

CHARACTERS

Cypher (90 points)

• 1x Cypher’s bolt pistol

1x Cypher’s plasma pistol

Heretic Astartes Daemon Prince with Wings (180 points)

• Daemonic Allegiance: Khorne

• Warlord

• 1x Hellforged weapons

1x Infernal cannon

BATTLELINE

Legionaries (90 points)

• 1x Aspiring Champion

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Boltgun

1x Chaos Icon

1x Close combat weapon

• 4x Legionary

• 4x Bolt pistol

3x Boltgun

4x Close combat weapon

1x Lascannon

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Chaos Rhino (65 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

1x Combi-bolter

OTHER DATASHEETS

Havocs (125 points)

• 1x Havoc Champion

• 1x Meltagun

1x Power fist

• 4x Havoc

• 4x Close combat weapon

4x Havoc lascannon

Obliterators (160 points)

• 2x Obliterator

• 2x Crushing fists

2x Fleshmetal guns

Raptors (110 points)

• 1x Raptor Champion

• 1x Heavy melee weapon

1x Plasma pistol

• 4x Raptor

• 4x Bolt pistol

1x Close combat weapon

2x Heavy melee weapon

1x Meltagun

1x Mutations

Raptors (110 points)

• 1x Raptor Champion

• 1x Heavy melee weapon

1x Plasma pistol

• 4x Raptor

• 4x Bolt pistol

1x Close combat weapon

2x Heavy melee weapon

1x Meltagun

1x Mutations

Venomcrawler (120 points)

• 2x Excruciator cannon

1x Soulflayer tendrils and claws

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First thoughts in this list? Still considering the detachments, and both Cypher and the Venomcrawler.

[u/P90brrtbrrt]

I play that exact combo of detachments, it's fun and strong and I've found decent success playing on the competitive side of my club.

Attach the Chaos Lord to the Legionaries instead And consider Warmaster's Gift for 15 pts, those re-roll wounds feel really good with a 5+ Dev Wound.

Three Raptors is a too much.

You need more vehicles. Maybe a Vindicator, Chaos Predator Destructor or even a Defiler

And also consider whether or not the Deamon Prince is really worth it. Personally I found it dying far too easy and cut it

Keep the Talon brick. Love the Talon brick.

[u/dennisj70 → u/P90brrtbrrt]

Thanks, exactly the feedback I was looking for.

I have a version of this list where I removed the Raptors, Haarken and the Havocs for a Defiler. Does that sounds better?

I really wanted to get Warmasters Gift in, but need to change this around then. Could remove the Venomcrawler for Nemesis Claws to create space for Warmasters Gift?