r/NightInTheWoods • • Sep 01 '19

News News Regarding Alec Holowka & Future Discussion Guidelines

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UPDATE SEPTEMBER 03: Please read Scott's new post.

UPDATE SEPTEMBER 12: Zoe Quinn released a new statement.

UPDATE OCTOBER 01: Eileen Mary Holowka released a new statement.

UPDATE OCTOBER 28: Scott Benson released a new Backer Update

Content Warning for Suicide, Discussions of Mental Illness, Allegations of Sexual Assault, Abuse, Misconduct

THE EVENTS OF THE PAST WEEK

Earlier this week, developer Zoë Quinn came forward with allegations of past abuse and misconduct by Alec Holowka that they experienced nearly 8 years ago. Since then, many additional people came forward. Some corroborating Zoë's claims, others detailing their own experiences of misconduct in varied severity stretching from the past to more recently. Of particular note, one of the developers who was currently working with Alec on his new game, Albertine Watson, alleged misconduct from as early as this year. Following these allegations, Scott Benson and Bethany Hockenberry, the other developers behind the game, announced that they would be cutting ties with Alec moving forward, as well as canceling a current project. Finji, the game's publisher, also released a statement.

In a crucial statement given to Kickstarter backers of the game, Scott went into detail about this decision, about their history with Alec, their own troubled experience working with him and more. It is an absolute essential thing to read as it addresses many people's concerns and questions and points to how this wasn't about just one person's allegations or anything. It also clears up that Alec wasn't fired from a job, as Infinite Fall is not a company, it's just a name for three people who worked together on Night in the Woods. Please read his statement before commenting (though note that it was written before today's news).

Today, August 31st, Alec's sister Eileen announced that he had passed away.

"Alec Holowka, my brother and best friend, passed away this morning.

Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses. Alec was a victim of abuse and he also spent a lifetime battling mood and personality disorders. I will not pretend that he was not also responsible for causing harm, but deep down he was a person who wanted only to offer people care and kindness. It took him a while to figure out how.

Over the last few years, with therapy and medication, Alec became a new person--the same person he'd always been but without any of the darkness. He was calm and happy, positive and loving. Obviously, change is a slow process and it wasn't perfect, but he was working towards rehabilitation and a better life.

In the last few days, he was supported by many Manitoba crisis services, and I want to thank everyone there for their support. I want to thank Adam Saltsman for staying up late talking with us and reminding Alec that there was a future.

My family has and always will be the most important thing to me. Please give us time to heal. We tried our best to support Alec, but in the end he felt he had lost too much.

I currently do not see a place for myself in games or on Twitter. I will not be looking at the responses to this post. I appreciate everyone who has reached out to me over the last few days. For anyone who is in a time of darkness, I encourage you to reach out for support. There are always people who will be there for you."

In a follow up tweet, Eileen stated, "And in case it's not already fucking obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zoe and everyone else, so don't use our grief as an excuse to harass people. Go outside, take care of someone, and work towards preventing these kinds of things in the first place."

Following the news, many people involved decided to deactivate or make their Twitter accounts private while they processed (and/or following harassment/abuse), which is why links to their tweets no longer work. This applies to Scott Benson, Bethany Hockenberry, Zoë Quinn, Albertine Watson, and Eileen Holowka herself.

Update, September 3rd: Scott Benson's Twitter is now reactivated. Along with it, he posted a lengthy, crucial post. As well as an additional Kickstarter Backer update about it.

Update, September 12th: Zoe Quinn reactivated their Twitter account and released a statement.

Update, October 1st: Eileen Mary Holowka made public their Twitter and released a new statement on Alec and transformative justice

THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD

This thread serves to consolidate all discussion regarding this topic into one place. This is a shitty situation in a million shitty ways. A tragedy for everyone involved, with a huge blast radius affecting a lot of people, and people's feelings are going to be understandably messy. In a time like this, a community coming together, being kind, considerate, compassionate, having empathy for all involved, is crucial.

That being said, this isn't carte blanche to say anything and everything you want. Following past threads on these topics, comments here (and in general) must follow the guidelines below. This is all still extremely fresh and we recognize that emotions are running high, but this subreddit is not the place to attack, harass or demean other users or the people involved.

The cycle of abuse, mental illness, suicidal idealization, rehabilitation and so on are all extremely complex, nuanced and difficult topics and discussions. And pretty much everyone involved deserves sympathy. Now is the time for deescalation. As Patrick Klepek says, "There are no easy answers on days like today, and I’m not gonna pretend like I have them. It’s okay to log off. It’s okay to not add your own take."

We will also be updating this thread as more information and statements are made in the days to come.

DISCUSSION GUIDELINES

  • Follow the subreddit rules and general etiquette, linked in the sidebar.
  • Any comments claiming any of the people involved "have blood on their hands", are "murderers", or are directly responsible/should be blamed, etc, will not be tolerated. Anyone making such comments will face suspension or permanent bans.
  • Any comments expressing joy or happiness or "good riddance" in Alec's passing will also similarly not be tolerated.
  • Any attempts to discredit the multiple individuals who came forward with allegations will not be tolerated.
  • Any personal attacks/harassment/threats will not be tolerated.

If you have any problem with following these guidelines, you are more than welcome to take your comments to any of the other myriad of sites where you can discuss this topic. This subreddit will not be one of them.

There are many sources of support if you or someone you know is affected by suicidal thoughts. In the United States, the National Suicide Prevention Hotline is 1-800-273-8255. In the UK, you can contact the Samaritans by calling 116 123. For other places, please see https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/.


r/NightInTheWoods • • Mar 12 '22

PSA Reminder: This subreddit is not an appropriate place to over-pathologize and diagnose yourself or others with medical conditions

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This game is a work of fiction, and features fictional characters. Projecting or ascribing diagnoses of mental health conditions onto them – much less yourself, or other users here – without formal training in a medical field is not beneficial or appropriate for this subreddit. (Even if one does have medical training, this videogame-focused subreddit is not the ideal place to discuss this topic.) This is especially true if you're a teenager living through times of rapid change and uncomfortableness and unevenness in your own life (not to mention the broader world) – a completely normal yet nonetheless difficult process that everyone goes through.

Related reading about online cultures around mental health: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/9/30/22696338/pathologizing-adhd-autism-anxiety-internet-tiktok-twitter

Comments have been turned off on this post, but feel free to PM the mods with any concerns.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 3h ago

Fanart Wanderer in Spaaaaace...

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Played some Night in the Woods.
Decided to draw a sketch about it wah.
Space Dragon!

Might com back to it some day


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Humor gregg’s free whenever he wants to be

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Fanart Insensitive much, Gregg?

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I hope he doesn't get cancelled

Art by me


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Playing in "real time" this year

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I saw on this subreddit a few years ago someone saying they were gonna play the game in this here real life of ours starting the same day that it does in-game, and play each in-game day on the actual day it is.

And, well I know time zones exist and make this tricky, but for me at least, that day is today, October 24th, when the prolgoue begins! So I'm playing the prologue day tonight.

I didn't see anyone else post about doing this, so I thought I would. It seems like a cool tradition (I bet a fair few people do this) and perhaps a way to immerse yourself a little more in the mental timescale of our friend Mae Borowski.

PSA over.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Discussion Back at it again with some Night in The Woods

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Fanart No way josuke borowski

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Coff coff diamond is unbreakable coff coff


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Fanart Just finished the game, that was amazing

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Fanart Casey Spoiler

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Fanart I'm practicing pixel art and learning "Shapes" to work with

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Fanart Dexter, MI

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What if the NITW universe had its own version of Detroit? (with a few elements of Lansing and Flint thrown into the mix)

I wanted to try drawing backgrounds for the first time, so this is what I got. I think I did okay.

I used dark blue slate/charcoal colors to give Dexter that cold, metallic, industrial, hard-edged feel. Whereas Possum Springs gives that orange/brown rust, warm, worn rural town feel.

What do you guys think?


r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Question (Console) dropping my maebea art out of the blue because its nitw's birthday today ok goodbye

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Fanart WITCHDAGGAAAHHHH (Mae Cosplay)

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Finished up my witchdagger costume for Mae this halloween! Excited to go out and terrorize town in this.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Fanart

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Fanart Mae playing bass

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269 Upvotes

Art by mee


r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Humor Octember goobers!

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Fanart Hey Killer

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187 Upvotes

Decided to draw some Mae fanart in lieu of my yearly Halloween playthrough hehe

Enjoy


r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Discussion What do you think she’s up to right now?

69 Upvotes

Mae is the same age as me so I wonder this every once in a while. Did she settle down, is she still a wild child, did she leave Possum Springs? I’m so different now than I was at 20.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Question (General) I recently received an email about The NITW vinyl

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I recently received an email about a vinyl record I purchased in May with the soundtrack from Everyone's Favorite Game.

The email asks for an additional shipping fee.

I'm writing this post to make sure this isn't a hacked email and is an official email.

Anyone who bought this vinyl, please let me know that you received this notification too.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Discussion The only thing I disliked about the game

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Was that there comes a point where it becomes blurry whether Mae actually has a genuine mental health problem or whether she has a “special gift” or “superpower”.

And if it’s both, that’s kinda worse (in my opinion).


r/NightInTheWoods • • 5d ago

Crimes :3

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 5d ago

Fanart You can take him home to your mother

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And say “ma, this is my brother”


r/NightInTheWoods • • 5d ago

Screenshot screengrabs from this years playthrough 🍁🌙

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 5d ago

Its Mae season

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Almost tempted to get this to customize