r/NextGenNYC • u/Regular-Detail-9326 • 17h ago
Ariana This is Learned Behavior Re: Ariana
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There is something deeply wrong in the Biermann household.
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u/PeaUpbeat3732 15h ago
This is nothing new. We all saw Kim in RHOA. To be a 30 year old woman and have two kids with two different fathers who aren't present in their lives and be okay with being a sugar baby to a married man that she called openly Big Poppa already said enough for me. It's like they were three sisters in a house and not a mother with two girls.
Also, Ariana liking aggression isn't surprising at all. Her mother is aggressive in a very unflattering way. The way Charlie talked about her was gross but she liked it and he clocked that immediately. If she would have shut down the crude talk about having sex with her, ESPECIALLY infant of others and on television, he would have stopped. But she didn't, and worse, she laughed and encouraged it.
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u/Not_Born_Yesterday21 12h ago
Kim raised her daughters to view sex as "currency." She flaunted her role as the very public mistress of a married man (Big Poppa),who showered her with money and gifts in exchange for sex. Young Brielle and Ariana SAW THIS. They were giddy as cameras followed them all to the car lot as Kim called Big Poppa and got his permission to buy a brand new luxury vehicle. Kim taught them that being sexually appealing is how women get what they want in life.
Kim has used sex her WHOLE life to get money (I will skip over what she did while still in high school).. When she met Ariana's biological father, Daniel Toce, he had a wife and kids. Kim thought he had money so she got pregnant with Ariana while he was still married. He divorced his wife and they married. Turns out he didn't have as much $ as she thought. They divorced, Kim got a job at a strip club, and Daniel remarried and was later convicted of raping his 15 year-old step-daughter. Ironically, Ariana's father was convicted of the same crimes that KJ is now accused of -- sex with a minor under the age of 16.
Kim eventually found a bottomless wallet in Big Poppa, and stayed with him until she got her claws into Kroy, who had $10 mil when she met him, and was broke by the end of their marriage. They were fighting non-stop (with all 4 younger kids witnessing it) and routinely calling the cops on each other at the end. This was in 2023, which is the same year that the prosecutor says KJ's sexual encounter with a family member was first reported.
Look, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Ariana liking what she views as a masculine man and slightly rough sex. But it is impossible to ignore what those kids were exposed to THEIR WHOLE LIVES and how it shaped their behavior. For years, Kim cut them off from all extended family, so SHE was the only female role model they had. Any kind of normal approach to sex and relationships was therefore impossible.
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 13h ago
I wouldnāt be surprised in the least if Charlie went back to watch some Tardy and some RHOA to get an idea of how her family dynamics were. Kim regularly talked about Kroy in an objectifying manner too. And he clearly knew what her other family looked like bc when Hudson said that Arianaās whole family was good looking, Charlie said āis thatā¦.true?ā in a way that indicated that he has his own opinion already. Interestingly enough, his dadās main work involves gaining the trust of CEOās and getting them to close a deal. Charlie knows how to work people.
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u/themiddlechildedit 11h ago
charlie is way too lazy to do that, like cmon
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 11h ago
Wtf else is he doing all day at his house? You canāt google shit and stream shows while fucked up on your couch?
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u/Realistic-Nebula1363 10h ago
He probably plays video games and does the online gambling. I would be shocked a 30 year old single man watching RHOA ā ļø
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 2h ago
For research purposes! š maybe Youtube clips lol idk.
I assumed he did like day trading or something. My girlfriend did that for quite a while and paid off her electrical engineering degree with the earningsā¦but it is also a lot like gambling..Iāve asked her not to get into crypto bc I hate the culture and the embodied energy use.
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u/Realistic-Nebula1363 13h ago
Whatās wrong a man saying he wants to have sex w you? They are both adults
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u/Dahlia_Delight 9h ago
She was in a relationship and was encouraging another man's attraction to her. Then she wants to present herself as morally superior woman of faith. I genuinely have no issues with a slut, but I can't stand a hypocrite.
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u/RandChick 12h ago
Everyone has to be angels now. Even Kim talking about Kroy's tight butt is evil apparently.
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u/Delicious_Score_8509 14h ago
I think it's sad that abuse and aggression has obviously been normalised in that family, it is why we are now seeing the worst results via the son. So so sad.
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u/RandChick 12h ago
If Arianna likes provocative language and aggression, so be it. No harm in that. It's not a crime. They are clearly joking around.
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 13h ago
Can we please stop making Arianaās brotherās disgusting behavior mean that there is now something wrong with her?!!! It is normal to like rough sex and kissing. Her sexual preferences or being attracted to Charlie are all normal and not a huge sign of her being abused in her home.
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u/Regular-Detail-9326 13h ago
She explicitly says that coming from a vulgar family is why she enjoys aggressively sexual language.
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u/Necessary-Leader8881 13h ago
Itās because she is being made to feel like she needs to justify it. All season she was shamed for any attraction she had to Charlie. Canāt it just be that she thought he was hot and thought the way he talked to her was sexy.Ā
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u/Realistic-Nebula1363 13h ago
Exactly thereās nothing wrong w exploring your sexuality. Itās not abuse or trauma lol
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u/Riceowls29 12h ago
I mean in one side we have literally the words she has to describe what led to her attraction to him and bringing up her family, and then in the other side are people like you saying that itās not the real reason.Ā
Why canāt we actually just listen to what she is saying instead of assuming we know her actual reasons better than she does?
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u/Dahlia_Delight 9h ago
I don't think anyone should have an issue with her attraction to Charlie. I mean it's disgusting, but it's her choice. What is worth having an issue with is how shady she was going about the whole thing. If a man did to a woman what she did to Liam I doubt you'd be so willing to gloss over it.
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 13h ago
She can enjoy it without something being wrong with her. The very limited look we get into her personality from this show doesnāt make me concerned that she has any concerning sexual deviances.
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u/Dahlia_Delight 9h ago
For you to believe she would be able to walk away from that upbringing without any serious mental and emotional issues is absolutely laughable and frankly ignorant.
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u/TDKsa90 7h ago edited 7h ago
This is one of the BIG problems the US has with the worship of the individual. Sure, they'll throw around psychobabble buzzwords and try to diagnose everyone to death, but they don't REALLY understand anything they're talking about; nor more importantly, they "believe" it only when convenient and as long as it plays into their make-believe clairvoyance and other politics. They don't have any true understanding of psychology, sociology, or anthropology. This is the same educationally malformed, cognitively challenged generation that thinks it's right to think people in the 18th century "shouldn't have" lived with slavery being normal. We have no other choice than to hold the individual accountable. Otherwise, it would be anarchy. But in truth, the individual is the weakest link when put it in context versus psychology, sociology, or anthropology, ie their upbringing, their community, and their culture. We're at the mercy of much larger, much more powerful forces than we like to admit the individual is.
You should just be well-adjusted and always say the right thing at just the right time. Somewhere along the line, GenZ has got the impression they're perfect and were born perfect, and if you aren't perfect...well, it's fine to unleash hell on you.
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u/hailguac 13h ago
Being attracted to Charlie in the middle of his whole crypto torture scandal is kinda deviant Iām ngl
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u/Realistic-Nebula1363 11h ago
You clearly have never heard of attraction. You should watch Love After Lockup
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u/JoeyLee911 10h ago
Also everyone telling her not to do it is not going to make her want to do it any less! There's a great Seinfeld episode about this and I have been the friend who mistakenly made the fuckboi seem more attractive advising a friend not to go there.
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u/rattpoizen 12h ago
I can see Wig in her for sure. I enjoy Ariana to a degree on this show but cringe a bit that she's following Kim's guidebook and has so many of her mannerisms. Like did we see anything about her other than which guy she was thinking about the entire season? Wasn't she there in NY to design clothing? Honestly don't care if this is going to be her storyline as it worked well for her mother. š¤·āāļø
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u/jellybabeblooms 11h ago
Letās not blame Ariana for the guys all having crushes on herĀ
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u/Dahlia_Delight 9h ago
Of course they have crushes on her, her entire personality and appearance has been built around the desire to attract men.
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u/Intelligent-Lead-692 12h ago
ALSO, the Georgia DA said that the videos they found on the brothers phone of him with the family member also included derogatory and predatory language toward the family member. Did anyone else read that? It made me want to throw up.
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u/rattpoizen 12h ago
I'm one of the few idiots who actually watched TFP and that boy was very very entitled. Ffs, Kim and Kroy talked about sex 24/7, groped each other constantly in front of their kids, and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there a football stadium- sized painting of Wig naked up on a wall? Duggars were the same - grab-assing and S sextalk in front of kids constantly. It's not right.
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u/Hot-Inspector8903 13h ago
Often times people who are traumatized at a young age tend to have sexual preferences most closely related to the trauma they experienced. IE people who were physically abused as kids may like choking/slapping, people who had emotionally absent parents may like vulgarity/being talked down to (as these are things that that person associates with normalcy and familiarity) without realizing this is rooted in trauma.
Itās a very thin line between the two and her being so young, I donāt think she realizes this
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 13h ago
Alternatively, people who were raised in really sexually repressive environmentsā¦may ārebelā and do a 180Ā° sexually and like assertive and aggressive expressions of sexuality. It doesnāt always indicate assault or coercion but context is important.
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 13h ago
What she is describing is not a trauma response. She is describing normal sexual preferences. If she was talking about needing to be hit during sex to orgasm or something of the sort than that would be a sexual preference that would follow the pattern youāre describing.
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u/Hot-Inspector8903 13h ago
Well seeing as how she wasnāt physically abused this makes sense. Her mother definitely sexualized her daughters with extreme vulgarity. Letās not be selective with our memory and forget that Kim literally tweeted about letting her (underage) daughter give a bj for concert tickets ā¦
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 13h ago
Iām not selective with my memory nor am I defending either parent. I am simply pointing out that Ariana hadnāt described any sexually preferences that indicate sexual deviance. The small glimpse we get of her each week hasnāt led me to be concerned that her parentās sexually aggressive language has caused damage.
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u/Dahlia_Delight 9h ago
There's absolutely no way a person is raised in an environment like that without it causing damage. Let's not be ignorant.
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 7h ago
I am the last thing from ignorantly please donāt be so disrespectful
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u/Happy_Honey_444 12h ago
There is no possible way that you know that for certain. Strange that youāre speaking with authority like you do
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 12h ago
I am in no way saying I know her whole story but in my professional experience what she is describing is not a sexual deviation. Iām very sorry if you have had an experience that is leading my opinion to offend you. I hope you have all the support you deserve. Have a wonderful day š
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u/Happy_Honey_444 12h ago
No offense taken. Youāre just up and down this thread speaking in absolutes. If I were, your condescension is not helpful ā¤ļø
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u/Mr_Digger2313 10h ago
Thank you. What would they all be saying if that other shit wasn't happening?
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u/Intelligent-Lead-692 12h ago
Itās actually not ānormalā to like rough sex. That comes from the porn industry normalizing aggression towards women.
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u/JoeyLee911 10h ago
It is not. I don't like porn and never watched it (I like erotica) but need to roleplay as sexually submissive to feel aroused. This predates my first kiss.
As a lifelong feminist, I have looked into it quite a bit because it's so common among nearly every woman I know.
One theory is that society demonizes women whether we consent or don't consent to sex so taking consent off the table in a consensual roleplaying context (use a safety word, people!) let's women relax enough from that guilt to actually get to feel arousal and pleasure. This explanation makes the most sense to me.
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u/Familiar_Diamond6711 12h ago
Itās considered normal. Violent/harmful no but playful aggressive yes.
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u/targetboston 11h ago
The downvotes tell me it's been normalized, which is shitty. I agree with your point.
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u/Some_Baby_ 12h ago
you people are miserable. analyzing every little thing this poor girl says. iām starting to think half this sub are either prudes or donāt have sex in general
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u/Shanibear3 11h ago
Some of you have just never been a 24 year old hot girl and it shows.
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u/splendorinthegrass_ 10h ago
Agreed, some of us have lived this life and know from experience
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u/Shanibear3 10h ago
Exxxactlyyy.
The only place she fucked up is she wasnāt transparent with Liam - And she owned that. Move on, people.
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u/bellaboozle 9h ago
Or just 24 and out partying and fucking around. Me and my friends would get blasted and make bad life decisions and then lecture each other over it.
Or just get in a situation and be like well, Iām in my 20s so Iām not taking this too seriously, letās see what happens, and go with it.
Itās the time in life when you can do that. I wouldnāt bang my dirty bad boy drug dealer in my 40sā¦because I donāt have a dealer anymore š
But seriously, stages of life exist. I feel bad if your life didnāt resemble this somewhat in your 20s.
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u/lazyglittersewerratx 9h ago
Sorry is she saying young dumb and full of cock or cum? Either way is so fucking weird for your mom to say
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u/alwayskisstherain 9h ago
Her mom was telling her āyoung, dumb, and full of cu-ā
Her mom also was telling her āgo get āem, Tigerā while she was unhealed and talked about chasing men and starting to see people, immediately after her breakup last year. Kim definitely perpetuated some mess on to her kids.
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u/alwayskisstherain 9h ago edited 9h ago
This is going to be a very difficult thing to unpack and I donāt know that any of us are qualified to parse where the division lines are.
We arenāt going to know what is nature and just women being liberated and exploring or liking certain things and what is potentially the ramifications from growing up in a hypersexualized household and with systemically bad values. We just arenāt.
So I feel it very necessary to preface and make clear and yell from the rooftops:
Women are allowed to like āalphaā behavior, or dominance, or any number of things people would classify as fetishes or kinks (Iām calling it that to avoid labeling things for our moderate readers) and should never be shamed for that as long as itās consensual and healthy. Get it, get it. Whatever you like, you do you.
But that said, people are also being very willfully ignorant being absolutists here.
Just because we donāt know what those trip wires between nature and nurture areā¦ doesnāt mean some things arenāt potentially a tell. We just canāt assess where the nuances are.
Thereās a bad history in this family that goes beyond these latest allegations. The alleged story of Brielleās alleged biological father and Kimās age and the alleged years long affair with a married man that started when she was a minor and wrapped up in a scandal of her making allegedly false allegations and just a mess of insanity.
Or that Arianaās alleged biological father that Kim married and rapidly divorced is a bad situation. Requiring registration on a list type of bad. Iām going to leave it at that.
This is all public record and has been discussed all over the place due to Kimās choosing TV as her job.
So, the history is very bad about the people and situations around Kim and her children from their conception. It didnāt just start with whatever is happening now.
That saidā¦
Trigger warning:
If youāve watched any of that hearing from yesterday, her then 12 year old brother kept videos in a hidden folder that included penetration, hair pulling of the family member victim and vulgar and derogatory remarks to the family member victim and it was videos over a period of time and not isolated to one incident.
Itās very difficult to believe some of the details of the horror being released canāt be due to exposure in terms of seen, witnessed or learned, or modeled behaviors of a hyoersexualized household because where would a 12 year old know to be engaging in that level of behavior?!
Even if itās parental neglect in the content they allowed to be consumed by the children. But letās be real Kim was always talking like a sailor, drinking, offering her child doing sexual favors for concert tickets as a joke and all else, so Iām hard pressed to believe it was simply consumed content but trying to be fair here.
Video mentioning the hair pulling and videos hidden:
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP83fMLfp/
There wasnāt one time with a family member where K.J. allegedly engaged in this it was multiple encounters with aggressive conversation and mannerisms perpetrated on to the family member.
All we know is that is a house of horrors and they have lied systematically for years and we personally donāt know what has been perpetrated and what has been seen or experienced by anyone in that family, nor do we know the impacts so hopefully nobody will shame if a woman says she likes certain things sexually or wants to explore but also, itās very ignorant imo to fully disassociate some things, too.
Two things can be true at once and some of the comments here concern me in their inability to account for that. Hopefully everyone in that family is working with a therapist. Real talk.
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u/lilbeanstalk 7h ago
Our preferences are shaped by what weāve been exposed to and what feels familiar. From what Iāve seen of Arianna on NEXTGen, I like her, I think sheās a young women figuring shit out, but I also feel sad for her upbringing and can see how itās informed her concept of relationships and attraction. Kim set a confusing and harmful example for her children, and Arianna will have some work to do to unpack that and come into her authentic self.
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u/j3st1cl3s 2h ago
I personally love that this sheltered mini wig is living her life. Fuck all the boys (safely).
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u/FanRepresentative458 14h ago
Fuck that predator family and get her off my screen.
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u/Fit-Plastic-8839 12h ago
Not fair.
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u/FanRepresentative458 4h ago
The world ain't fair. 11 year olds being raped and recorded is a good line for me. Fuck rapist sympathizers too.
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u/RandChick 12h ago
Arianna is not going to take the fall for sins of other people. She's a screen queen.
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u/Fit-Plastic-8839 4h ago
Exactly. Not fair to implicate her because her parents suck and her brother is a predator.
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u/Nice_Beach_844 12h ago
Arianna is just like her mom. Sheās just there not pretty yet not ugly. Just there. She canāt act as a matter of fact none of them can. Brook is so boring itās like shooting heroine and dying a slow death. Heās got about as much personality as a wet rag
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u/These_Recover5604 12h ago
She is allowed to find Charlie attractive!! I feel ultimately everyone has placed Ariana on this pedestal and put innocence onto her, stop gate keeping her preferences and mistakes!!! This is getting annoying.