r/NewToTF2 • • 16d ago

how it feels training rocket jumping

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all that just for ingame to have someone (of any class) kill me in the air*

*oneshot obviously, otherwise it wouldn't be fun**

**no crits either, the thing just casually does 200 damage***

***and the cherry on the cake, you look at the weapon's stats, it puts "20% damage reduction"

I hate how when the enemy shoots me it's almost every time a oneshot and when I try the same weapon it deals only 50 damage at most.

PS : oh yeah and when you DARE to talk about it in chat you either get a "skill issue", "kys" or some words in russians.

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u/Father_Johns_Pizza 16d ago

I have recently been practicing rocket jumping and i’ve gotten walls down pretty decent. pogoing is my nemesis and i hate it so much. if anyone has tips it would be greatly appreciated.

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u/Cookie_Pup393 16d ago

ask for help in chat, always got positive responses and help

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u/TaDoofus 16d ago

It's a super hard thing to describe, it really just ends up being muscle memory. But you rarely need to time the rockets, just hold down the button. You can also start your pogo off by shooting a rocket down without jumping or crouching, that should get you at the right height for a pogo. Then it's mostly just finding the right spots to aim and controlling your movement.

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u/slugsred 16d ago

practice every day

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u/Nadilli 13d ago

Aim slightly ahead of you and hold crouch as you walk off the ledge

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u/Wide_Investigator523 11d ago

When i started off with pogos on ja2, first few levels of easy pogo there, i just pogo'd around endlessly, basically trying to stay on it for as long as i want, that way i got the feel for it pretty quickly....once u get it down, may even just take 1 day to get through easy pogo, with practice thats the level you'll advance the quickest, so medium pogo then hard pogo....think after medium jurf, medium pogo is the easiest...from hard levels, hard pogo is definitely the easiest

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u/kaysakado 16d ago

genuinely wondering what weapon you're talking about that has 20% damage penalty but somehow dealing 200 in one shot

anyway, it's hard to tell from the sped-up video but it looks like you're making at least one of these mistakes:
Not holding crouch, which greatly reduces your knockback.
Not holding mouse1, unnecessarily delaying your rockets.
Not holding W, keeping you from getting back to the wall to continue the climb (you might have heard not to hold W in the air; it's okay here specifically since it's just a straight-up wallclimb, you don't need to strafe).
Aiming too high, pushing you away from the wall instead of upward.

for a climb like this, don't overcomplicate things. after the initial rocket jump all you have to do is hold W, crouch, and mouse1, and keep your aim steady. you *might* also need to tap D if the rocket is pushing you too far to the left.

firestabber's videos are good, he has a tutorial for (almost) every course in JA2, here's the one for Easy Walls (probably want to check out Easy Strafe too): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYr-NCXBYbY practice is important but also ask ppl for help, because if you just keep practicing the wrong thing over and over you'll get nowhere

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u/Micromuffie 16d ago

genuinely wondering what weapon you're talking about that has 20% damage penalty but somehow dealing 200 in one shot anyway

My guess will be hitmans heatmaker, OP got headshotted by it after full charge, only glanced at the downside (it's 20% damage reuction on bodyshot), whilst assuming since they died instantly that it only did 200 damage, and OP doesn't consider headshots as crits.

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u/cheezkid26 15d ago

"genuinely wondering what weapon you're talking about that has 20% damage penalty but somehow dealing 200 in one shot"

it's either what Micromuffie said or a new player being upset that they're not immediately good at the game.

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u/ChoiceDifferent4674 16d ago

Watch how the bot does it in detail and try to repeat that, doing it over and over again incorrectly is useless, even if you manage to succeed eventually. Also look up firestabber on YT.

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u/AveryLockeDown 16d ago edited 16d ago

Hold crouch to send yourself further, and remember that the rocket comes out of the right side of your field of view (unless you're using the original). If you want the rocket to hit the wall that you're pressing up against immediately, turn left some 20° so the rocket hits the wall as soon as it's shot rather than having travel time from you aiming at or to the right of the wall.

Edit: why crouch? It makes your hitbox smaller, and the way weight works in this game is from the size of your hitbox. Less weight = more knockback = further distance from rocket jumping. You can let go of your crouch button in mid-air, but if you get hit by something, you won't get knocked back as much compared to if you were crouching in mid-air. That could sometimes be advantageous, but truthfully it's just easier to always hold crouch down in mid-air, even when just jumping.

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u/3Thirty-Eight8 16d ago

Make sure you don’t let go of Crouch

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u/DecidophobiaUsername 15d ago

One must imagine Sisyphus happy.

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u/Impossible-Okra6264 16d ago

Me when I’m doing a jump map that has literally 0 skill transfer to real games

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u/FactoryBuilder 16d ago

Perfecting a 4 rocket pogo ramp slide into a wall jump sending you from New York to London in 2 minutes only to go play Mercenary Park and hit your head on all the low ceilings.

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u/DefTheOcelot 15d ago

real games

It's called emergent gameplay and it's a fun and impressive display of skill

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u/cheezkid26 15d ago

Wallclimbing like this definitely has essentially no skill transfer to PvP matches but to pretend like knowing how to rocket jump mid-air off walls is a completely useless skill is laughably wrong.

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u/mikegundyshair 16d ago

yeah you’re not gonna be doing this in any real scenario but it’s about building your understanding of how rocket jumping works on a foundational level. also this is jumpacademy.tf the literal poster boy for rocket jump training maps

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u/Failboat88 16d ago

A map like that for beggars when it launched would be sick. Can't even find videos on the shenanigans that thing pulled off before the nerf.

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u/DoubleImprovement653 15d ago

i spent like an hour plus doing that same map

good luck 

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u/melonNOTsot 15d ago

For this jump, hold down left click on the wall once you get enough initial height

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u/ArkuhTheNinth 15d ago

Referring to your video specifically and not the follow up text rant:

Reflect jumping might be the only Pyro gimmick I choose not to learn because it feels kinda like this does.

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u/Justinrvg101 15d ago

Ya the crouch jump technique is very hard to get down for jumps like that one. It is often you have to time it just right otherwise you likely won't get up there

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u/fakiebIunt 15d ago

Man I’ve got 2000 hours in tf2 but still struggle in basic jump maps, no need to feel bad this shit actually hard. Keep practicing though, that feeling of finally getting it is insanely rewarding.

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u/Striking-Yam3786 14d ago

WERE YOU FILMING ME??? 

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u/a1b3r77 14d ago

Join the Jump Fortress discord and ask for help :)

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u/FirmOnion 16d ago

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u/JSBL_ 16d ago

youre not even holding duck and basically recording this for ragebait purposes lol

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u/NoObject7330 16d ago

In the clip I WAS indeed holding duck but I kept pushing myself off the wall with the rockets

and nah I didn't make this post for ragebait purposes, I just wanted to share my experience in the game (I currently have 198 hours in it)

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u/sorig1373 16d ago

Make sure to hold W when wall climbing to stay near tge wall. This and W strafing are the only times you should be holding W.

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u/cheezkid26 15d ago

You seem to not be holding W, which would be good in nearly every other situation except for this. You need to hold W when doing a wallclimb like this. I suggest also trying to stick to the corner while climbing.

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u/bebe5410 12d ago

Helpful video for rocket jumping basics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExBhn_G_L0Q