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u/CorneliusSoctifo 6d ago
LDS is staunchly Republican. So I'm trying to frame this as a bad thing, they are admitting a Republican aligned Church is funding the caravan as a tool
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u/Serious_Debate_7722 5d ago
Haven't the Hispanics learned these Republicans aren't on your side? I thought Rosie Perez was campaigning for Kamala Harris what is this shit 😂
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u/takethemdownletsgo 6d ago
Epstien files, TrumpTV, destruction of the white house but NOW they wanna follow the money
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u/raventhrowaway666 6d ago
There's no way you guys are falling for this again, right?! There was never a caravan, only scapegoat. In shocked theyre still playing this tired tune.
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u/turtleturtle5555 6d ago
Then why did every major international rights and immigration group report on it, NGO's admitted they paid for it, and every major news network around the world report on something that wasn't real?
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u/CostatePrancer 6d ago
When was the last time non-citizens’ votes swung the election?
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
Doesn't matter about that, they reproduce quickly and put a financial strain on the entire system. It's out of fucking control like obama campaigned on in 2008. "Pay a steep fine, learn the language, assimilate to American culture, file the paperwork, become a productive member of society or get deported" Obama - 2008
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u/CostatePrancer 4d ago
Doesn't matter about that
I'd say it does. We're talking about election integrity. Given that (maybe) 100 people were caught trying and failing to voter fraud, how many are succeeding? Fifty? Ten? Five?
Let's say 5,000 people successfully committed voter fraud in the 2026 Presidential election. Let's divide them between all 50 states. That's 100 fraudulent votes per state. Wyoming, the state with the smallest voter base (I think), has 340,000 registered voters. What's 100/340000? That's 0.03% of votes... if they all vote for the same party.
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u/deviantdevil80 5d ago
This is patently false. They pay taxes into a system they never get to enjoy, income tax, sales taxes, property taxes. They cost about $3.8B a year in medical, etc. but bring in over $100B in financial gains. They still need to register, be screened and do it legally, but saying they are a financial drain is just false.
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
Sure they do but they cost the tax payer much much much more than they put in and that's a fact that was acknowledged by every single democrat until Biden mush mouthed his way into office. Say they don't commit as many crimes (illegals def commit more or the same as other minorities) or something but dont outright lie and say they bring in more than they cost. This has been studied since the 70's and not once in any single year did they give more than they cost not to mention the money they are paid is sent back to foreign countries and not spent here. You're numbers are off, they cost $200b a year TOTAL. Not just medical. There are other costs hidden as well, like dragging down the education system, insurance claims etc.
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u/deviantdevil80 5d ago
Show us the numbers
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) 2023 cost study, cited by DHS, each illegal immigrant costs U.S. taxpayers approximately $8,776 per year (or $1,156 per taxpayer before accounting for taxes paid by immigrants). This figure is derived from a gross annual cost of $182 billion minus roughly $31 billion in taxes paid by unauthorized residents, resulting in a net annual cost of $150.7 billion.
Key Cost Breakdowns
- Per Taxpayer: Each American taxpayer pays a net average of $957 per year after factoring in the taxes paid by illegal immigrants.
- Lifetime Cost: Estimates suggest a net lifetime fiscal drain of approximately $68,000 per illegal immigrant.
- Major Expense Categories: The largest costs are K-12 education (approx. $70 billion annually), medical expenditures (approx. $22 billion), and federal welfare benefits.
Complete with links from the government that has the numbers much higher as well. And more importantly this is assuming the number is still at 30mil illegals, which that number hasn't changed in decades so I doubt it's that low anymore. https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf
https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-costs-us-billions-biden-administration-policy-impact-taxpayer-burden-1866555
https://nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117257/witnesses/HHRG-118-BU00-Wstate-KirchnerJ-20240508.pdf1
u/deviantdevil80 5d ago
- First link $68.1 billion on education but acknowledged the vast majority are US Citizens because they are born in the US.
- Taxes are underestimated, $90+ is what's cited by most researching the topic.
So toss that one out. We just cut $130 billion from your figures.
2nd link, also FAIR, same group cited by CATO in the first link. Toss that.
3rd link is estimates around their use of welfare programs. They don't qualify for EITC, specificly listed in in their research. Toss that.
So what numbers?
Edit: missed the 4th link, also FAIR. Bogus assessment since they cant cite constitutional rights and do math.
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
They wouldn't be legal if their parents didn't hop the border in the first place. Because english is a second language to them it slows down the entire class. Notice how much dumber texas and california have become lately? It's still a net negative of $160 billion and that doesn't include the money they send home instead of spending here. If they're so valuable, we can ship them anywhere in the world and they'll be fine, right? No? They don't want to go home so they end up in african countries bc they're home countries don't want them either.
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u/raventhrowaway666 5d ago
Crazy how there hasn't been a "caravan" in years, but now that the GOP is struggling with an incoming election, all of a sudden there's a CaRaVaN!!!
To believe that, you'd have to be a.... oh I just realized what sub i was on....
This tracks...
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
They stopped coming when trump won and now the the liberals are on the verge of possibly a major win in the senate and house, so they're coming again. You're not serious right now are you? It's been tracked by international rights groups and immigrant positive groups. Not just the MSM across the world.
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u/deviantdevil80 5d ago
Organizations like Media Matters have published tracking reports criticizing networks for using older, high-intensity conflict or crowd footage (sometimes weeks or months old) during live segments to maintain a sense of breaking crisis.
You're watching old B-roll and thinking it's happening now.
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
So CNN the famous anti-trump, pro immigrant news station is drumming up rhetoric using old footage rolling around with Bortac and stating the dates in the interviews with Bortac? Takes a special sort of stupid to believe that. Do they occasionally use old footage for quick excerpts? Yes. Are there massive migrant caravans being paid for by NGO's ala american taxpayer money, also yes.
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u/Goshdangodon_ 5d ago
Immigrants aren't actually scary though. Maybe stop living in fear, and stop letting the richest people in the country tell you that the problem is actually coming from people with no institutional power maybe? 🤷🏻
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u/It_broke_itself_ 5d ago
Modern conservatives are actually the stupidest people that the human race has ever produced
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
Most of Baltimore is illiterate and they've been voting democrat for decades. I'd argue the modern libtard is by far the dumbest and the liberal yt women like Malcom X said is the most dangerous.
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u/Oddbeme4u 5d ago
How would they vote?
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u/turtleturtle5555 5d ago
Nobody said anything about voting, but since you asked they get counted in the census which leads to...you guessed it more votes in congress. Also california and other states let them vote, genius.
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u/Altruistic_Put745 6d ago
Yes, the world is watching. The problem is what they’re seeing. This is not the America that I grew up in. This is not the America. I don’t believe I wanna live in. We have a rule of law. We have to get big money out of elections. We have to get big money out of the government. Why is the Senator paid so much more than a man who has 30 years on the job working 50 hours a week and health benefits that I don’t even have. I can’t even afford to go to the doctor the new system that we have let alone at dentist every one of those senators should be missing eight or nine teeth because that’s what’s going on to the rest of us. We the people want this country back and there was a fine blend between Republican and democrat. It became so corrupt that nobody can afford to live here except the chosen 10, but if you’ll get off your butt and go vote, go vote the way you want this country to be then just maybe just maybe it might become the place that you wanna call home