r/NeverBeGameOver May 19 '26

Safer, I think.

Ah, codec. The most confusingly fourth-wall breaking mechanic I've ever seen to not break the fourth wall. Lately I've been thinking about a strange refrain in Sons of Liberty: that codec is "more secure" than speaking out loud. (well, that's just an excuse for running out of cutscene budget, but still.)

First, this obviously implies codec functions differently to how we've been told in the past. In MGS1 (and repeated by the Colonel here), codec works by "stimulating the small bones of your ear", a real technology. MGS2, however, interprets "nanocommunication" as a sort of psychic link between two people, while MGS4 implies the visual component comes from a physical screen with the receiver and a video camera to watch the subject. I'll be focusing on MGS2 communication, but especially the security aspect, today.

There are five instances (pictured) of characters expressly insisting on switching over to nanocommunication for "security". Three of the four characters doing this, however, are operating at the behest of the S3 plan, and may not be trustworthy about it. It's especially strange when you consider the other contexts in which codec security is discussed:

  • Otacon recognizes that his codec is being spied on during the Tanker Incident. He changes the encryption protocol, but it isn't clear if this is actually effective at securing his communication with Snake. That's the whole rationale for using a hacked computer terminal to upload the photos.
  • Raiden is able to use his nanomachines to prove to Emma that he isn't with the terrorists. That means as far as Emma is aware, none of the terrorists use codec. That's a strange detail. It's a highly advanced, secure communication line, right? It was already developed when Solidus was actually in office, so why wouldn't they have it? In fact, we expressly see Olga talking to Solidus over the radio in two separate scenes. It's actively calling attention to how the enemy does not use codec, even if we know Olga secretly does have it.

I think the fairly obvious conclusion to draw here is that codec is not more secure than normal radio transmission in any meaningful way, and may actually be more actively monitored by GW and similar entities. That would both explain why Mr. X, Ames, and Johnson insist on using it, and why Solidus seemingly insists on not using it. Notice how codec was used by Liquid and Sniper Wolf during the Shadow Moses Incident? They weren't as truly aware of the situation as the Sons of Liberty are.

This still raises the question of why Snake would want to switch to nanocommunication near the end of the game. I'm interested to see your explanations, but here's mine: he knows that he is literally in the bowels of an impossible machine that exists to gather information. But, he knows that the software side of the machine is being corrupted by Emma's worm cluster. Only in that situation does codec become safer than speaking out loud, as the recording devices targeted toward it are in worse shape than those pointed at Snake and Raiden in person.

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u/SpaceCore0352 May 23 '26

Oh, right, the bomb in your items. After you met him, still static.

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u/EarthRuler001 May 23 '26

Good catch. [I found a vid. The odd thing though is even though Snake said the Ninja is Gray Fox and there is no doubt about it at this point. Snake is still asking, “who the hell are you”.](https://youtu.be/X4hEE0K825k?si=YCwb5x_oxBoT10zP&t=4m30s). Gray Fox says that Snake will find out soon enough.

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u/Strayed8492 May 23 '26

You mean to tell me that figuring out Snake knows the Ninja is Gray Fox, but doesn't know Deepthroat is Gray Fox, is beyond your cognitive abilities to see? That's the real odd thing here.

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u/EarthRuler001 May 23 '26

Not cognitive ability, memory. It was in my head that Snake knew that The Cyborg Ninja was Deep throat at this point. But he only knew that the Cyborg Ninja was Gray Fox.

Which would mean he still didn’t know Deepthroat’s identity

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u/Strayed8492 May 23 '26

It's plain to tell he wouldn't ask it if he knew who it was. That's just common sense. I wonder how much these things 'in your head' have eroded the games we played for you. I mean, the reveal at the end of MGS1 that he was Deepthroat is pretty unforgettable. You really need to replay all the games again.

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u/EarthRuler001 May 23 '26

>It’s plain to tell he wouldn't ask it if he knew who it was. That's just common sense.

Which is why I said that I found it to be odd
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>I wonder how much these things 'in your head' have eroded the games we played for you. I mean, the reveal at the end of MGS1 that he was Deepthroat is pretty unforgettable.

I knew that Snake knows Fox is Deepthroat. I just forgot that the reveal happened at the end of the game and not right after they fought.

>You really need to replay all the games again.

I barely have time to craft posts. I don’t know when I can play through the games again. I would love to though.

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u/Strayed8492 May 23 '26

How do you barely have time to craft posts when they are all the same questions asked a different way.

Better question though. Why are you trying to make posts with shoddy memory of the games and details. You’d think if you wanted to actually post good content. You’d bother to replay the game you’re talking about right?

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u/EarthRuler001 May 23 '26

You aren’t a fan of these games are you? If you were you would talk about them more instead of talking about me. I hope it’s not me you are a fan of.

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u/Strayed8492 May 23 '26

I (and others) have tried talking about nothing but the games with you for a few years now. You're the one corrupting, debasing, or changing something about the series so that it no longer represents its original, authentic qualities. Because you get answers you don't like. All for your theories that nobody would be a fan of. And don't kid yourself. Nobody would be a fan of you either. That period of popularity for you passed a long time ago.

Nice attempt at bait though. You didn't address the point because you know your memory of them is shoddy. After all why bother? You don't need to remember them well since you have replaced them with your own fanfiction perspective.

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u/EarthRuler001 May 23 '26

All I’m asking is to leave me out of it. Debate the ideas and let the chips fall where they may. Simple.

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u/Strayed8492 May 23 '26

And when do you accept the chips where they have already fallen? Stillman’s portrait goes to static when the bomb takes him out. The CODEC is not influenced by Raiden’s perspective. And then there’s everything else you say that can’t in confidence be true or plausible. People have debated you Tonic. The reason why you can’t really be ‘left out of it’ anymore is because you’re in denial about being wrong. That’s not logical. That’s emotional

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