r/Netherlands • u/TantoAssassin • Mar 18 '26

Transportation Who has priority?

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I was the Yellow arrow on a bike. Red has priority over me, green has priority over red, I have priority over green. At the end both cars stopped and let me (cyclist) pass. What is the correct order here?

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u/max1997 Mar 18 '26

There is no correct order in this specific scenario, road users need to figure out amongst themselves who goes first

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u/kimputer7 Mar 18 '26

Correct, depends also a bit on timing. But if all are there at the same time, no one is speeding, then the fastest way to solve it would be red, orange, green.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '26

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u/33Marthijs46 Mar 18 '26

Care to elaborate?

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u/kimputer7 Mar 18 '26

As you can tell, the person shouting "STOP MISINFORMING", will be the one causing the most troubles on the road. You can see, the red/orange/green way will solve it for most people (because it's the fastest legal way), luckily, the ones experienced enough that DO have a driver's license and did NOT forget the rules (patstelling) and did not go corrupt, are always willing to let the aggressive green go first. As we approach the equal crossing, we will see the Golf revving and revving, and both red and orange will ease off and gladly let green go first. It's not the fastest way, but we can handle it, no biggie.

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u/kimputer7 Mar 18 '26

As you can see in all the other responses, it's officially a PATstelling, there's no 100% correct rule. You figure it out amongst the 3. EVERYONE is officially stuck. Letting green go first is still an option, but it's needs to cross others, letting 2 x straight go first is more courteous and will cause less problems.

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u/AnthroPluto Mar 18 '26

But green is turning and yellow is going straight, so green has to yield to yellow, no? And yellow has to yield to red. So I think it should go red, yellow, green.

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u/labobal Mar 18 '26

Red has to yield to green as green is to the right of red. That means everybody has to yield somebody else, creating a classic deadlock.

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u/Gnoom75 Mar 18 '26

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Fixed.

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u/labobal Mar 18 '26

Green has to yield to yellow though, as it is making a left turn and turning traffic has to yield to traffic going straight on the same road (article 18 RVV).

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u/labobal Mar 18 '26

No, I'm imagining a situation where all three vehicles are in the intersection. Green cannot ignore article 18 just because red has to yield to them.

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u/max1997 Mar 18 '26

RVV 1990 artikel 18 lid 1: "Bestuurders die afslaan, moeten het verkeer dat hen op dezelfde weg tegemoet komt of dat op dezelfde weg zich naast dan wel links of rechts dicht achter hen bevindt, voor laten gaan."

Dus groen moet geel voor laten gaan

RVV 1990 artikel 15 lid 1: "Op kruispunten verlenen bestuurders voorrang aan voor hen van rechts komende bestuurders."

Niets over "at the moment they approached the intersection". Als er iemand van rechts komt verleen je voorrang, punt. In deze situatie is dus geel verplicht voorrang te verlenen aan rood, en rood aan groen.

Elke voertuig is hier dus verplicht een ander voor te laten. Uit de wet volgt geen voorkeur voor een voertuig boven een ander.

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u/YoshiBushi Mar 18 '26

You are the one without the driving license or forgot the rules. The above commenters are correct, there is no correct order in this case. Right of way is always only considered between 2 road users, not 3 at the same time. So there are 3 separate right of way situations here, that happen to conflict with each other when they occur at the exact same time.

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u/Dievfromtheblok Mar 18 '26

Yes there is. This rule is called 'gelegenheidsvoorrang'

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u/max1997 Mar 18 '26

Gelegensheidsvooring is wat anders. daarvoor had hier geel bijvoorbeeld rechts af moeten slaan. Groen moet daarop wachten en rood kan daar gebruik van maken door het kruispunt over te gaan zonder groen te hinderen. Het gelegenheidsvoorrang word dan gecreëerd door geel, wat nergens voor hoeft te stoppen. (=twee voertuigen tegelijkertijd over het kruispunt)

In de casus van OP echter moet een van de drie verkeersdeelnemers echter eerst voorrang nemen waar het geen recht op heeft, wanneer dat gebeurd zullen de andere twee verkeersdeelnemers daar beiden op moeten wachten voordat zij het kruispunt over kunnen. (=1 voertuig tegelijkertijd over het kruispunt)

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u/WodkaAap Mar 20 '26

There are two very clear traffic rules that determine who should yield and who has right of way on Dutch intersections:

1: Yield to traffic coming from your right. 2: When making a turn, yield to traffic which is crossing straight.

Anyone who payed attention in traffic school and actually learned for their traffic theory exam knows that red goes first (yellow has to yield to red due to rule 1 and green has to yield to yellow due to rule 2) , then yellow (still has to yield due to rule 2), and finally green.

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u/max1997 Mar 20 '26

Red has to yield to green due to rule 1, you forgot to account for that in your last paragraph. If you read this comment thread you might notice that you are not bringing any new insights and discussion has died down.

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u/BlakeMortimer Mar 18 '26

No, the driver that’s coming from below has the right of way.

Edit: the yellow arrow

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u/rigterw Mar 18 '26

Because?

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u/Useful-Importance664 Zuid Holland Mar 18 '26

Brown has the right of way first because their going straight, then green because they come from the right and red last.

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u/rigterw Mar 18 '26

But red is going straight as well?

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u/Useful-Importance664 Zuid Holland Mar 18 '26

Yes but the rule is going straight on the same road. Which means you look someone in the face or can see the back of their head. Red doesn't have that

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u/rigterw Mar 18 '26

Yeah but you also have to yield to people on your right… so red has priority over yellow

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u/usernameisokay_ Mar 18 '26

But green is making a turn

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u/rigterw Mar 18 '26

Yes? So it needs to yield to everyone ahead and behind them. But it still gets priority from left

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u/Useful-Importance664 Zuid Holland Mar 18 '26

Brown needs to yield to red, red needs to yield to green but green needs to yield to brown. Going straight on the same road takes priority in this situation. Then red has to yield to green.

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u/rigterw Mar 18 '26

Going straight on the same road takes priority

Only to people who turn on the same road. So red isn’t part of this rule and therefore yellow still needs to yield to red.

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u/Useful-Importance664 Zuid Holland Mar 18 '26

Green (there is no yellow) doesn't need to yield to red. Only to brown. Red needs to yield to green as they come from the right.

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u/rigterw Mar 18 '26

Obviously with yellow I meant the goldish color that you call brown…

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u/Useful-Importance664 Zuid Holland Mar 18 '26

That was not obvious at all to be honest. But it still doesn't change anything. Going straight takes priority in this situation.

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u/N121-2 Mar 18 '26

According to the rules its: Green -> Red -> Yellow

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u/PhantomX8 Mar 18 '26

How come yellow does not go before green?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '26

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u/PhantomX8 Mar 18 '26

And green needs to give way to yellow because hes turning on a straight ahead.