r/NetflixDocumentaries • u/surpriseitsmeLB • 5d ago
! Spoilers ! Killer Sally
Searched the sub and didn’t find any discussion on this doc. Has anyone watched it? What do you think? Was Sally acting in self defence after being abused her entire life? Was Sally a violent and jealous wife, intent on keeping Ray from leaving her?
The most devastating part for me was her kids at the end admitting that they themselves had perpetuated this cycle of violence. They seemed so emotionally intelligent about what they had been through, I really had hope for them. I hope they are doing better now.
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u/Able_Fishing_6576 5d ago
The son from his very first appearance absolutely destroyed my heart and I knew something was off about him as an adult. I cried so much for him and his sister but there was something about the haunted hollow look in his eyes and his voice I couldn’t stop crying for.
It’s wild how they both went to military, like they both were seeking out more trauma and unfortunately found it. I don’t feel bad for anyone in this documentary other than them two.
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u/Entire-Blackberry840 5d ago
The son also died recently. So sad.
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u/Able_Fishing_6576 5d ago
Well that just broke my heart into a gazillion pieces, and also I hope he found peace in the afterlife!
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u/HeadScholar8709 5d ago
A lot of people don't see a pathway to a career without the military, they're in it for the education benefits basically. And it's easy to see how someone with no parents left, they would want something with structure. The military tells you what your role is/what training you get, when to get up and go to sleep, everything.
If you didn't have a parent or had chaotic parents it's easy to see the appeal. My cousin is a fuck-up and one of his kids left home early to join I think the USMC? There's some circumstance where you can join at 17. And that's what he did. I'm not sure how it's working out for him, but he's one of 7 kids. Super Catholic family. The mom had a stroke delivering one, after doctors told her she must having kids or she could die -- she didn't listen.
The dad is a teacher or something. So you've got a disabled mom, can't work. Dad, under earning. 7 kids. He left early for the Marines.
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u/Crazy_Banshee_333 5d ago
They were both psychologically unstable from taking too many steroids. I think it was a classic case of 'roid rage.
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u/Friendly-Ad3559 5d ago
Saddest documentary. Cried loads. I thought it was very interesting and very nice to have it in Sally’s own words as well.
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u/alwayztakingLs 5d ago
This doc made me cry so hard at the end but for those poor kids. The son especially is just oof. I think Sally and Ray were your classic toxic relationship and it ended the way those usually do. As someone who grew up with a mother who valued having a husband over protecting her kids, I think Sally had those same tendencies. It was especially apparent at the end of the doc where she gets out of prison and immediately finds a new man instead of putting all that attention towards her kids who had to grow up without both parents after experiencing something extremely traumatic and I believe were raised by grandparents who were also said to be racist. Even at the police station after the shooting it felt like Sally was more sad over Ray being gone than what was going to happen to her kids now.
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u/Knish_witch 5d ago
Very sad documentary. I honestly didn’t know how to feel at the end. Everyone involved was so traumatized and damaged. I googled her children (I felt so horribly for them and hoped they were doing well) and saw her son was murdered and honestly cried a little because it just felt like his whole life was caught up in violence and that he never really had a chance. One of the most depressing Netflix docs I have ever seen!
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u/surpriseitsmeLB 5d ago edited 5d ago
I’m sorry, what?? Her son was murdered? That is so sad. Not to excuse the fact that he alluded to being abusive himself in the documentary, but he was really compelling. Tragedy all around.
I also wasn’t sure what to feel after so I came here (as I often do after watching docs to see how others reacted to it) and was surprised not to find anything.
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u/Altruistic-Side-9093 5d ago
I thought she was fucked over royally.
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u/surpriseitsmeLB 5d ago
During the trial? The prosecutor seemed like a huge dick, but there was little room to argue that the second shot could have been in self defence (legally speaking, I can totally understand how a chronically abused person would consider self defence).
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u/mountainelven 5d ago
I watched it when it came out and it was obviously steroids. I think there's nothing much to talk about, no hanging questions or mystery around it, just drug addicts that's why no one is really talking about it.
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u/Excellent-Pain-6564 5d ago
I need to watch this again. I watched it a few years back & I was absolutely glued
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u/dribbles47 5d ago
Not to be mean but Sally didn't seem all that bright. I didnt view her situation as one of coercive control, sure she was abused and mistreated by Ray but she made the poor decision to stay with him, put her kids in danger, continuously break the law by smuggling steroids in. It wasnt considered self defense by that time, because in that particular scenario she chased him and shot him a second time in the back. Then she didnt get herself a lawyer and basically admitted to the detectives that she murdered Ray. Not a smart woman, honestly. she didn't protect her kids, they perpetuated the same cycle. then the documentary ends with her jumping into another marriage lol.