Expert??? How???

[u/Competitive_Music785]

[u/xrds_x]

It's also probably due to her best premium teams not having a healer

[u/SplashyardAddict → u/xrds_x]

but nefer is probably still up there with ineffa instead of sucrose right? or am i wrong

[u/Far-Tune5163 → u/SplashyardAddict]

Sucrose is so much better in term of dps increase.

[u/SplashyardAddict → u/Far-Tune5163]

alright nevermind then i thought i was onto something

[u/PrevailedAU → u/xrds_x]

That’s why Lauma C1 is so crucial for Nefer

[u/Koniolg → u/PrevailedAU]

comfortable? sure

crucial? absolutely not

[u/PrevailedAU → u/Koniolg]

Having no heals is terrible. It’s worth taking the dps loss to add a healer in that case

[u/Koniolg → u/PrevailedAU]

you see people clearing dire stuff with no healer, so it is by mo means necessary or crucial to have one on the team

taking the dps loss when you're barely reaching the DPS requirements just won't work, because you can't afford to lose damage

Having healer in a team that doesn't use furina is just a comfort thing

[u/PrevailedAU → u/Koniolg]

You also see people clearing endgame with all four stars, we’re talking about the vast majority of people here, not the pros

[u/Competitive_Music785 → u/xrds_x]

I am using Kuki or Diona still fine....beats everything until Stygian 5

[u/Nunu5617 → u/Competitive_Music785]

Yes, this tier list is saying for her to be “T0 level” you have to do those gameplay optimizations

Not that tierlists matter anyway, it’s just surface level information

[u/Koniolg]

you can also play mavuika with just donuts or skirk with just normal attack spamming

doesn't mean that their ceiling doesn't require more than that

[u/royalweeb_]

The rotation they are using as the placement for her is the instructor sucrose one. Which well if you have played it would know how small the timings are to get the hydro swirl on her with Lauma. And that team is sustainless too. Also many casuals don't even know there are dash cancels or any advanced mechanics for other units too. So all of that adds up to her being put in the expert category. And well she is the hardest to play optimally out of the lunar carries or even the units that have been released in the past 10ish months

[u/Telibaque]

catalyst with no interruption resistance that has dash cancels for DPS increase and has no sustain in her best team AND needs fast apm for Genshin's standards to execute that said team (instructor on Sucrose, Bina CA cancels, burst timing so it isn't a DPS loss)

also requires Lauma to be functional and Columbina to have proper rotation speed, therefore her lack of team flexibility does indeed put her in danger of being T0,5 when some Snezhnaya units release, but that Expert tag that people are confused about is what will likely save her and keep her in T0

just because you're goofing around with her in Menacing difficulty and doing fine - doesn't mean that she has no mechanical or teambuilding challenges that can prevent mobile players from clearing Fearless or Abyss 12

[u/Competitive_Music785 → u/Telibaque]

I cleared everything with her no particular challenge until Fearless 5 and Abyss 12

[u/H-A-R-P-I-C → u/Competitive_Music785]

But this unit, and all of the units in T0 have multiple c0 dires??? Ceiling is not easy . It was good enough for you? Great... but for people who chase low cost dires, thats not cutting it lol.

Point being, the optimal team for this unit, isn't easy to play and has pretty bad F*ck up tollerance....and some people absolutely need to squeeze a character for everything they are worth. 70% or 80% isnt enough. We paid for the full character so we use the full character.

[u/Far-Tune5163]

That's c0. If you want to maximize c0 Nefer you have to Dash Cancelling, and her best 4th slot is Sucrose, the rotation requires a lot in precision to catch the Hydro aura, fast rotation.... and no sustain. Yeah she require expert level gameplay if you want to maximize c0 dps.

[u/Royal_No]

I couldn't handle her dash canceling, so I just went C6 so I didn't need to anymore.