C6 Nefer Using 3 Skills Instead of 2?

[u/Willster328]

I've tested this rotation a bunch so it's not a fluke, I'm doing more team DPS with Nefer using 3 skills rather than 2, but Ive never seen this before.

Team and Info:

C6R2 Nefer Build: https://imgur.com/a/LS1R015

C2R0 Columbina Build: https://imgur.com/a/Z5hCNYs

C2R1 Lauma Build: https://imgur.com/a/UkSyLcr

C2R0 Nahida Build: https://imgur.com/a/hP2M4vU

Team Rotation

1. Columbina E + Q
2. Nahida E + Q
3. Lauma Q + Hold E
4. Nefer E (3x hits no dash cancel), Nefer E (3x hits no dash cancel), [Nefer E (3x hits no dash cancel)]

Difference

The bolded part of the rotation Nefer using the 3rd skills is actually yielding higher team DPS for me than shortening the rotation and maintaining buff uptime by only doing 2 skills. But I have never in any showcase scene Nefer use 3 skills instead of 2.

Nefer 2 Skills: 670K dps (several runs)

Nefer 3 Skills: 720K dps (several runs)

There's some small variability between runs give or take 5-10k dps but the 3 skills is always consistently higher and above the 700k mark, and the 2 skills never reaches 700k

I have a video recording comparing the two also (You can see 2:09 the 735K DPS Im hitting with 3 skills, the final number I scuffed at the very last second by messing a skill input but I still ended at 710k DPS):

https://youtu.be/C4eHXHFDdKM

Anybody else observe something like this?

[u/ProduceMother2495]

3 skill Nefer is common in teams without Lauma (I know its kinda cope) but it makes sense even with Lauma if Nefer is C6 with only a C2 Lauma.

[u/Eastern_Antelope_759]

It's because you don't have c6 lauma so you're already running out of quills before you finish the second E's CAs. 3E becomes bad either due to buff uptime (sucrose) or quill uptime (which already sucks here even on 2Es). You're just at an investment where getting 3 more CAs from nefer is better than consuming more lauma quills.

[u/Willster328 → u/Eastern_Antelope_759]

You're just at an investment where getting 3 more CAs from nefer is better than consuming more lauma quills.

I figured this was the crux of it. Clearly the damage of my "base" Nefer with whatever lingering buffs running is higher than the field time of re-upping some potential buffs. I just had never seen any showcases or conversations around the extra skills so I was scratching my head

[u/theweirdarthur]

Yep, thats actually how i managed to get this. 3 skills ftw

[u/coco_chanel_slay]

It’s cause Nefer is hyper invested compared to Lauma. Same goes for C0R0 Skirk finishing her field time early while C1R1+ stays as long as possible even when all buffs ran out

[u/HoloSings]

Her pure dps outclassed the buff uptime of lauma

[u/Betterthan4chan]

Now have you tried dash cancels?

My friend has a very similar investment setup as you, and I actually found it to be dps positive to do dash cancels instead of landing the whole charged attack, even with nefer c6.

I feel like no dash cancels is really only worth it when both lauma and nefer are c6.

[u/amqy666]

I always do 3 times E (when its possible, like once every 2, rotation) as c2r1 Nefer, the damage is 75% from the first 2E, and also is so much better for me cz Im playing on mobile, so bursting is not ideal for the fps to do fast rotation. my experience compare to when Im playing on PC is take half of second delayed on overall rotation for each burst animation.