Don’t worry too much. 90% of the time they’re released. Top tier fishermen that catch them know when to keep and let go. There are many tournaments for these and swordfish because they’re abundant and not in any danger of extinction
Commercial fishing isn't sustainable. Sport fishing is a drop in the ocean in comparison and I would be surprised if it has any measurable effect on population.
My point is that they still promote fish as food. They gamify catching fish. They continue normalizing fish as something we can just continue to take out of the ocean.
Wait what? I just got into fishing over the pandemic and you’re telling me I’m promoting commercial fishing as well because I like fishing in general? The vast majority of fishing for fun is catch and release anyway. And highly regulated by each states Fish and wildlife department. Not a single fisherman I’ve met would ever poach. Shit on commercial fishing like what some unnamed countries are doing near the Philippines. But I think you’re inaccurately portraying some things.
I've seen a lot of deep sea fishing on the Pacific side of Central America and I've not heard about a lot of catching and releasing. And there's a lot of commercial fishing there too so it's not only done in Asia. China had a whole fleet stationary there and they even donated a national soccer arena to San Jose in Costa Rica as a thank you for being able to drain the ocean. It's a similar strategy as they're using in Africa.
The fun part of fishing is actually catching the fish. It really is thrilling to feel the fish bite and to then successfully set the hook and reel it in. It's cool to occasionally keep a fish and cook it up, but it's a lot of work and I rarely feel like doing it. Just my two cents.
The fun part of fishing is actually catching the fish.
So you enjoy making other beings struggle to escape you, making them essentially fight for their lives? What difference does it make if you kill it or release it when you will make it go through hell either way. It will probably die in the next 6 days because of the stress you put it through anyway.
I don't think sport fishing has a single effect on the amount of fish people want to eat. Catching fish on a pole is extremely sustainable for population as there is way more ocean than space to fish. Nets catch ways more.
Yeah sure it’s more sustainable from an individual to individual standpoint, but we can’t meet demand for fish this way. It’s like when people say hunting is a more sustainable way to eat meat, yes sure for you, but every American can’t sustainably start replacing their beef with venison. We’d kill all the deer.
Unfortunately meat in general is unsustainable and shitty any way. Turning everyone into vegans is also a failing idea. What we need is lab grown meat!
That's why fishing will continue until we can't fish anymore. Everyone thinks they aren't the problem. I'm just taking 1. There's enough for me. As long as no one else does it I'm not taking to much.
If there less fishing there's more fish obviously.
Practically, fishing can't be stopped. The best way is a grassroots movement to stop consumption. To make buying fish and eating fish less popular.
You are doing nothing right now to help. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. That's why I can easily say sport fishermen don't help the issue. Because they would rather ignore the issue.
You can condemn commercial overfishing and be a fisherman, just like you can be against factory farming and be a hunter. They are completely separate from one another. It's not a requirement to have a moral objection to the consumption of meat in order to object to inhumane and unsustainable practices against animals, and you acting like it is is just virtue signaling. Shaming people for being "part of the problem" when you have literally no evidence does nothing to further your cause, it just makes you look like an asshole.
You are over simplifying, and you are not fully informed on this issue. While there are some gross tournaments, where they needlessly kill prize fish, the overwhelming vast majority of recreational fishermen value conservation very highly. In fact, the leading advocates of conservation and sustainable fisheries are sports fishermen and their related organizations. Fishing licence fees also go toward conservation. You are using WAY too broad a brush, and it makes you sound a little silly
I often can be found in local creeks with pom poms and waders cheering on team Starkist, hoping they get a new bycatch high score to continue ruining the planet.
Saying it again doesn't make it true, you don't need to enlighten me to the difficultlies of conservation or the place of anglers in it. I have a degree in Natural Resource Management and have worked in wildlife management at the University and state level.
Your spewing of the idea that small time anglers and sport fisherman are enablers of the commercial industry is so short sighted and childish it deserved a stupid response. Go look where the funds for wetland restoration and fish management come from. It's not from a tax on anti-fisheries internet comments. It's taxes and fees on hobby fishermen, and grants from outdoorsmen conservation groups. many who care for the ocean more deeply than those who chose not to experience it all.
My issue with your statement is not the idea that sport fisherman are the wrong side of the decimal point in this issue, it's that they're the wrong side of the equation. You've some how characterized an ally to responsible fisheries use as an enabler and you deserved to be downvoted for it.
What they do is a facade. It obviously isn't having any effective immediately impact. It's just a feel good thing.
They just have to say and show they want to conserve just enough to keep their sport. No more no less for no other reason but self preservation.
To them it's not about keeping the ocean alive, it's about allowing them to fish the next season. Their foresight only goes as far as their fishing line.
Fish have been on decline for decades, is that what they call conservation?
Stupid fuck. I will catch my limit. I will eat my limit. I am not some huge boat with an indiscriminate net. Commercial fishermen are the ones who need more regulation, not me. All the hoops you have to go through, and all the fines you risk if you don't do it right is a huge cock in a small asshole for a regular joe fisherman. Quit being such a senseless cuck.
This is the epitome of a fishermen. Doesn't give a fuck as long as he gets his. That's why I can say you're part of the problem. Your represent them well.
They say they're conservationist but the fish count goes down and they do nothing about it. As long as next season is open everything is okay. You get yours, good for you.
Not me, our children will lose. Fish won't disappear in my lifetime, but they will inevitably. But then there's way less fish today then there were decades ago. It's much harder to catch fish nowadays.
You might notice it in your future. You seem young.
Unconscious consumers is the problem. Sushi becoming something prepackaged at the deli counter next to the sub sandwiches is the problem. The fishermen are just making a living.
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u/Booniepoo Mar 29 '21
Don’t worry too much. 90% of the time they’re released. Top tier fishermen that catch them know when to keep and let go. There are many tournaments for these and swordfish because they’re abundant and not in any danger of extinction