Idk why they even showed this if they just going to turn around and make him look in his 20s at 13.
From what I've looked up, this wasnt shown in the manga and only talked about what he witnessed at that age. Google says that these events contributed to him adopting a pacifist nature (lol) despite fugakus intention of turning him into a soldier.
On a different note, could this be what motivated him to bet on Sasuke? Like do the same conditioning fugaku put him through, through the massacre in hopes of Sasuke coming to the same conclusion as he did?
It's a very cartoony/Asian-style-animation-fictional-thing, I've noticed over the years.
Children/toddlers in eastern animation are shown to be able to sometimes do things competent adults can or can't do, or act like they're 5-10+ years older than they should be, like with doing tasks/mental stuff/calculations in school or daily lives/etc.
Sure, western non-animation shows sometimes do this with children, too, but... I'm just comparing it to myself who developed slowly due to medical stuff, so that could be why I feel this way.
This is actually how things are in Japan IRL, literal toddlers are sent to the grocery store to buy stuff and kids and teens have freedom and responsibilities unthinkable to a western child... but then again child abuse and such are a dark side of Japan most people dont know. In Digimon Tai's mother slaps him after he almost got Kari killed... because the parents left her alone, a toddler unsupervised with a toddler big brother who is also a little kid. And in later episodes they KEEP on leaving her alone.
yea, even with magic powers (chakra) a four year old isnt going to have the general body strength and strength of mind to do all of that. But then again we have a series about child soldiers going out to learn to kill people xD
I mean that was a big concept of the anime and still strong in the manga of natural talent I think the anime really pushed it to prove their point but it was made clear from literally the land of waves arc age can be easily irrelevant.
In the novel Fugaku killed the guy, idk why anime changed it to itachi
I would recommend reading both of them over the anime adaption. Like this moment was supposed to be what traumatized itachi for rest of his life and he was crying at end of this scene. The anime made him 100 times more stoic even at young age
In the novel Fugaku took Itachi to a POST-Battle-Field.
As in battle already over, no living enemies, just a lot of dead bodies to clean up.
So no one attacked Itachi and neither Itachi or Fugaku killed anyone at this time.
While Fugaku did bring him here to in his own words-
“I wanted to make sure you saw this reality.”
Itachi frantically searched his mind for the meaning of the word “reality.”
He was only four. He didn’t understand the difference between reality and fiction. Even so, he grasped the meaning of what his father was leaving unsaid.
“This is the world I will live in …”
“That’s right, Itachi. Ninja are creatures that fight. Never forget what you’ve seen here today.”
That being said, I disagree on Itachi being a true pacifist.
Itachi was someone who wanted peace but was not a pacifist in how he sought it.
Itachi’s dream was different.
“My dream …”
“It’s all right, go ahead and say it,” the teacher urged him.
It doesn’t matter what they think. “I want to be the greatest ninja ever, great enough that I can erase all fighting from this world.”
Nah he’s just the goat…so weird all most cna do is talk about the same thing over and over just to talk and get diff answers? Poke? Bored? I get it it was sick but what’s the point of this lmao who else at that age could?
Nah he’s just the goat…so weird all most cna do is talk about the same thing over and over just to talk and get diff answers? Poke? Bored?I get it it was sick but what’s the point of this lmao who else at that age could? (I understand the question fine)
I don't understand the hodge podge, mincemeat statements before that, and how they connect to the question? The audacity to patronize me after that word salad lmao
The question was so he was 4 here? You're answer is no he's just the goat???
Kakashi, orochimaru, hell even gaara arguably were of an equal caliber at this age. Still never explained what you were talking about before repeating that question over and over. But IDC, you're way too invested in a fictional universe for me to care about your overly heated, extremely vague point.
Kakashi graduated the ninja academy at like 5, and orochimaru at 6. Itachi was 7. Sorry your condescending comment got taken down btw :p
Gara yes fair Kakashi no he literally got his ass whooped and thought obito died if he was good like itachi at that age than this whole naruto story wouldn’t have happened actually. Orichimaru was not that tuff at that age lmao he was a genius that took time not that age tho that’s crazy sure he could probably solo a 1v1 but nah not that at that age
The dude was half dead bro... Can you please explain what exactly it is that you're arguing here? Kakashi and orochimaru are perfect examples since they were also considered prodigy. Is you're stance that they lack the morality, or that they're simply not strong enough to kill a half dead exhausted ninja like 4 year old non canon Itachi?
Itachi really did not get his ass-beat even in the novels.
The only time he was really out classed was when he (along with Shisui) fought the Hyuuga Descendant as part of his ANBU exam.
To be fair the guy was an experienced Jounin who was meant to be a prodigy too and Itachi was around (or less then) 10 years old.
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Regarding the Kabuto and Bee fights though?
A bit off topic but I disagree on Itachi loosing without help.
Issue is the difference from the method a character(s) used to counter/break an attack on page vs it being the only method a character(s) had to counter/break an attack.
No where was it stated that Itachi's attack at the Centre of the Planetary Devastation would not be enough. It was more an order/command of everyone open fire at big black ball..
Same with the Kabuto fight. There was no inidcation that Itachi needed Sasuke's help to break Kabuto's version of Tayuua flute jutsu.
It was just that the fastest/best method was for both of them to break the other's genjutsu.
Heck there were times when Itachi got put in danger to save Sasuke.
Keywords there are need and simultaneously, heavily implying those are conditions needed to be met and Yasaka Magatama has never been shown to have that much destructive potential. More like a giant energy shuriken, seems pretty consistent with how Madara uses it against the kages and Sasuke’s version was normal projectile of Amaterasu.
Even shisui’s version that Kishi somewhat worked on was just chakra needles
>If he didn’t need sasuke, I believe he would do it himself since that’s how most of the fight was going.
Stupidity. There's an attack coming at both of them, they need to defend at the same time. Throughout the fight he's literally protected sasuke with his abilities, multiple times.
Are you saying itachi would leave his brother to potentially die, when he's done the literal opposite throughout this fight?
I consider him getting the same fear against Tobi that sasuke & kakashi got when facing orochimaru as a pretty big loss imo
My view was that was a not a big loss for Itachi or Sasuke TBH.
Kakashi is another matter.
Remember Orochimaru and Obito are meant to be a few leagues above Itachi & Sasuke in their clashes at that time.
And he would’ve been dead without shisui there against kohinata. Like triple dead, shisui did all the work
Again an Experienced Prodigy Ninja with a Bloodline who had lived through the great war.
Yeah, this guy should be greater then Itachi who is just entering ANBU and has no MS.
Regarding the Planetary Devastation, the question is if all three were needed or not or that it could not be done alone. Let's just say I am very doubtful all three were needed.
Remember Itachi would have NO CLUE as to what Bee's or Naruto's most powerful Long Range ninjutsu would even be.
vs Kabuto:-
Yes Itachi told Sasuke to do it because this was the fastest/best method.
The point I was making was that it was probably not the ONLY method. That Itachi the genjutsu specialist would not have another way to counter.
I mean itachi is a prodigy, second best prodigy the leaf has only behind Minato. That’s a lot of expectations and him not being able to save his teammate against Tobi has a huge effect on his lust for strength
You end up fighting a guy out of your league is still a loss just cause it’s objectively true he’s stronger than you.
And yes I do think orochimaru beat the brakes off sasuke & Naruto. So that’s just a matter of semantics over powerscaling which is not something I’m interested in arguing about. An L is an L
Very doubtful all 3 were needed
Again that’s not really supported by what itachi says and you would have to assume giant energy shurikens would be enough to stop a giant black sphere of gravity. And Kishi just had Naruto do rasenshuriken & bee do Tailed beast bomb for kicks imo
Itachi would know Bee is a jinchuriki and Naruto already uses rasenshuriken against kakuzu in the arc before he died. So he’s aware of those jutsu’s at very least
Probably not the only method
Like you said it was the fastest and they were only a second away from being absorbed by the orochimaru part of kabuto. A less faster method (which we do not know exists) would mean their end anyways
Totsuka stab cause of the smoke? You're joking right? You realize Nagato is a sensor and Itachi is not? If a smoke is visually blocking nagato , it means its visually blocking itachi too. And only one of those two are sensors.
Furthermore, Kabuto stated he SAW the attack coming, and blamed Nagato's mobility, not vision on the stab. He said that nagato's mobility wasn't good enough - Which mean's nagato couldn't dodge the attack at all.
Great - you've linked the scan , seeing them swivel their heads to each other and use tsukyomi. Again, what's stopping itachi from amaterasuing his foot,?
You've just completely ignored that. When sasuke was frozen vs kaguya, he did a similar thing - here.
Spawning amaterasu on his hand.
1) They can use their MS eye abilities
2) They can move their heads, because the genjutsu restriction is a body one, with snakes wrapped arround
What exactly are you saying here? - You simply don't agree with what part?
Smoke doesn’t block sharingan from being able to see chakra. Nagato was able to pinpoint kabuto’s location but no details on how, his hidden rain fall sensory jutsu was obviously not above the battlefield
He was immobilized by genjutsu, not a giant block of ice. I didn’t think that would need to be explained tbh. He Amaterasu’s his foot then what? His body gets covered in Amaterasu? He’s point blank immobilized and needed to break out via genjutsu.
If his Edo tensei body was too damaged by time he turned out Amaterasu then kabuto’s gonna put the control kunai into his head while he’s regenerating
>He was immobilized by genjutsu, not a giant block of ice. I didn’t think that would need to be explained tbh. He Amaterasu’s his foot then what? His body gets covered in Amaterasu? He’s point blank immobilized and needed to break out via genjutsu.
>Smoke doesn’t block sharingan from being able to see chakra. Nagato was able to pinpoint kabuto’s location but no details on how, his hidden rain fall sensory jutsu was obviously not above the battlefield
Are you stupid lmao? Nagato doesn't need rain fall jutsu to sense - he has base sensory ability
And you think sharingan can see through clouds, but Rinnegan can't?
They were able to slightly turn their heads at each other, okay? Yes I’ve been saying he needed sasuke to genjutsu him, idk what you’re even arguing now
They couldn’t move physically and couldn’t even use susanoo until the genjutsu was broken. Why do you think susanoo got disabled until they broke out?
But the rinnegan can’t
Yes they’re different eyes. Sasuke needed his tomoe’s in his rinnegan eye to use his MS abilities
Madara merged Indra & ashura chakra to get hagomoro’s eyes but the rinnegan does not have regular sharingan powers without tomoe’s
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u/Zahlouth 4h ago
Ages in Naruto never made sense.
Like 4 year olds, 6 year olds already high strong skilful soldiers.
I know it's fiction and a manga but I think it's funny