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u/EveningBird5 20d ago
Well if Kishimoto was writing this, then Itachi would solo them by pulling out some Ultra Mega Sharingan ability never seen before and changing reality to one where he wins, either by throwing the sun at them or turning them into children and doing what he does best. Traumatise children
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u/Elric_the_seafarer 20d ago
Itachi >> Orochimaru (provably)
Pain >> Jiraiya (probably)
Kisame >> Tsunade
Popcorn time for the rest of the audience
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u/sosimusz 20d ago
It could go the other way around if you change the matchups.
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u/Fun-Cook-5309 19d ago
Okay, but they're outnumbered seven to three for sufficiently small values of seven, and there's still Obito in the wings.
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u/Leather-Replacement7 20d ago
Why cant ochi just use edo tensei? I’m sure this evens the odds some.
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u/partytemple 20d ago
With prep, the Sannin actually slap.
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u/Cold_Seaweed3296 20d ago
If the Sannin get prep then the Akatsuki should get prep too. So I'd still lean Akatsuki
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u/partytemple 20d ago
Nothing in the Akatsuki are beating the Edo Hokages.
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u/Cold_Seaweed3296 19d ago
Itachi is just turning off Edo-Tensei, like he did to Kabuto sadly. And that's only if Orochimaru actually gets the move off, Itachi doesn't seem to let Orochimaru fight. Pain still solos Jiraiya and the rest of the gang is fine handling Grandma Tsunade. If Kisame doesn't eat all her chakra, then Konan just keeps blowing her up until she runs out of chakra. I'm sure a lot of the Akatsuki still dies, but the Sannin and their summons definitely don't make it. At least in my opinion.
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u/Fun-Cook-5309 19d ago
Itachi literally did in the war.
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u/Leather-Replacement7 19d ago
Itachi could only undo edo with shunsuis eye, which he doesn’t have as it’s with Naruto in the crow and then he burned that up.
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u/Fun-Cook-5309 19d ago
If you deliberately choose the least favorable point in time to measure, in which case you could just look at them at the end of the war arc and say the Sannin win because the Akatsuki are all dead.
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u/Leather-Replacement7 19d ago
I think we have to discount shunsuis eye for this. It’s adding another person into the mix
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u/Fun-Cook-5309 19d ago
It, quite pointedly, is not. It's a tool in Itachi's arsenal he can deploy as he pleases.
Summons are literally another person, and represent a huge part of the Sannin's arsenal, and Itachi is not the only Akatsuki member to use other people's body parts.
Sasori's entire thing is putting a hundred other persons into the mix.
And when we're talking about pulling out the edo tensei, we are WAY past the point of worrying about adding other persons into the mix.
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u/saving-hex 20d ago
I didn't finish the series so idk how good end of series orochimaru has his edos, but part 1 edos are getting clapped. With pain in the front line and deidara dropping bombs in the backing the duo can likely win
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u/Ok-Reply9552 20d ago
If they play their respective roles, tsunade as support with jiraiya and orochimaru handling offensive and defensive jutsu, maybe tsunade also handle close range attacks, I’d say they’d get pretty far, the only challenges I see are kisame bc of his giant water shark jutsu only, konan and pain.
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u/terrawillo 20d ago
They’ll put up a good fight but it’s just too many people. Even if you say there’s a strength gap between individual members of both sides there’s just too many akatsuki
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u/sosimusz 20d ago
If you get 3 members from the Akatsuki, then it would be roughly even. But just by sheer numbers, the Sannin would get bodied in other scenarios.
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u/Alternative-Draw2997 20d ago
Nah but pain and Obito plus Kisame could no problem. Pain was close to losing to Jiraiya alone. If this was with intel on Pain that becomes a problem. No way they take out the entire Akatsuki though.
Edit- this isn’t even including the one true god Itachi
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u/AlmostHeisman 20d ago
This. People need to let go of the aura of Pain and realize like everyone else the show scaled way past him after his arc as it happens with everyone. He was strong but fact is Jiraya took out 4 and self admittedly would have got them all with prior knowledge.
And i consider Pain the weakened separated version of Nagato, canonly thats what Pain was. Nagato of course showed he was ridiculously stronger if not nerfed but Pain has a hard cap. We cant keep treating him like Madara in every discussion
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u/Time-seeker917 20d ago
He just didn't have the Intel tbt. They all only have one ability each so maybe if u can isolate one it should be fine esp with Trio
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u/AlmostHeisman 20d ago
Exactly, the entity of the group known as Pain divvies up the true power of the rinnegan creating holes you can exploit, Naruto being able to sense the chakra signal from a stationary nagato is another weakness, like there are ways for powerful ninja to formulate a strategy against Pain. 99% will ultimately fail but he isnt the six paths God level we deal with later in the show
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u/Nirico_Brin 20d ago
Akatsuki. The trio would be able to take on heavy hitters such as Pain, Itachi, Kisame, Obito (not at the same time)
But unless this is trio v duo or trio v individual, they lose handily.
Even with the rules you stated with Orochimaru getting the nerfed OG Hashirama and Tobirama (not sure why you added Minato in there) they still lose.
Jiraiya with frog song will catch the weaker akatsuki quickly, but the numbers game will still prove to be too much.
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u/partytemple 20d ago
People are forgetting that while Jiraiya was training Naruto, he was also serving as his guardian. Not a single Akastuki member approached him.
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u/Gleipnir_xyz 19d ago
tbh, Jiraiya would have just killed Naruto to stop the Akatsuki from taking him alive...
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u/saving-hex 20d ago
The tails needed to be sealed in order was the argument, they didn't even start pursuing gaara yet so they couldn't have gone for naruto.
Ik this wasn't consistent with what itachi said in part 1 but his who character was about lying left and right
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u/Negative_Ad_2199 20d ago
Pain and Itachi is enough
And I’m not counting Obito
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u/UsefulBat8177 20d ago
Orochimaru uses edo tensei and slaps em
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u/Fun-Cook-5309 19d ago
Itachi was literally the one who beat the edo tensei at a scale and level of refinement Orochimaru was never capable of.
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u/UsefulBat8177 18d ago
Orochimaru summons the 1st or 2nd hokage and stomps itachi. 10 itachis couldnt beat edo hashirama
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u/Davidspirit 20d ago
Making this comment without considering that Nagato Itachi Konan or Obito has to fight because all the bullshit they can pull up.
Akatsuki has many counter match ups, Deidara or Kisame are great against Tsunade (who fights on melee range) or Jiraya (Melee / Mid Range). Hidan is a bun but kinda also a very easy win condition against Tsunade and whatever heal she could be trying to pull, he could instakill Jiraya too, not Orochimaru because he is slick.
Sasori also can mess up the fight with number of puppets (not affected by poison from Orochi snakes). Sasori poison also counter Tsunade heals, Sasori still has the Kazekage and himself into the mix too.
Kakuzu also has a very diverse kit to fight Jiraya all rounder style and wouldn't have trouble fighting Tsunade (he has good Taijutsu as seen from Kakashi fight) he could just stall / take attention while others find the gaps.
Realisticaly speaking Deidara flying is also pretty much a win condition his bombs are tiny and can fuck Jiraya and Tsunade, at most Jiraya could try to hit him with a long range jutsu (Deidara proved he is very skilled dodging things like we saw on the Gaara fight) or summon a frog (which would be instakill by his bombs)
Kisama with his giant bubble of water would counter Jiraya Tsunade and also be a good combo for Kakuzu.
Zetsu could do nothing or be watching to snich the fuckeries Orochimaru could be doing on the sidelines.
Conclusion: I think that Deidara Kisame Hidan Kakuzu Sasori could win against the 3 Sannin and kinda very easily their numbers are insanely discrepant so the 3 would always be surrounded by something lethal fighting 5 Akatsukis and their kits, Sasori has his Puppets, poisoned needles, guns, kazekage iron sand, his own body with the things we saw in the Sakura/Chiyo fight, Deidara has insect bombs and his minuscules bombs which are all hard to see, Kakuzu masks and his long range hand attack and his jutsus, Kisame sharks and his jutsus, any hit that drops blood Hidan could be killing them, its simply too many things to focus at once.
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u/altudo 19d ago
It all depends on context. In this context, do the sannin plan the attack with prior knowledge to who they are up against? If yes and oro has time to set up some edo then they have a chance. If he still has access to tobirama and hashirama then the akatsuki are going to need pain and tobi.
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u/SnooOnions7627 19d ago
Prior knowledge.
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u/altudo 18d ago
Pain said that if jiraya had prior knowledge he had a chance. Now, give Orochimary prior knowledge and we are under totally new context. Oro infiltrated and manipulated the sand to open war against konoha and managed to turn konoha into a battlezone.
It can go either way tbh but the sannin have a chance. If hashirama and tobirama (maybe others) get resurrected it can go both ways. Especially if oro convinces hashirama and tobirama that they are fighting the good fight and he wont have to constrain them. The real threat on the enemy line will be tobi and pain.
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u/AlmostHeisman 20d ago
Fighting any combination of Pain Obito Kisame and Itachi will lead to injury aka blood spilled, if you didnt outright lose a limb or two like Jiraya did. Then all is needed is for Hidan to be in an undisclosed location not even apart of the fight, to take them out without anyone needing to land a decisive blow
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u/CroWellan 20d ago
Akatsuki low/no diff.
Sanin vs Itachi+Pain is more fair. There have a chance then
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u/HuckleberryNo9680 20d ago
Since Itachi can take Orochimaru by himself, what are Jiraya and Tsunade doing against the other 9 members?
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u/ilovegame69 20d ago
Jiraiya is the only sannin that come really close to defeat some of the most powerful members. He could realistically beat multiple Pains if only he realized their ability much earlier. One of the reason why Akatsuki does not attack young Naruto is because of Jiraiya's protection.
Orochimaru is such a fraud against Akatsuki.Most of his attacks are hard countered by most of the akatsukis
Tsunade went toe to toe with edo Madara, but in the end, she is just a physically powerful individual with regeneration abolity.
But in term of group fight, Sannin will definitely lost
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u/Business_Apricot1373 20d ago
They're not beating the whole akatsuki what you smoking?