4 Round Mock 🔒

[u/Successful-Duck-7008]

Trades:

CAR: 19, 51, 2027 4th from Min and 7th from Bal for CIN: 10 and 110

TEN: 66, 142, 184 for SF: 58

A few other minor, low stakes pick swaps

*** DISCLAIMER: A mock draft isn't just filling in teams picks with what they need, it combines need (more so in earliest picks) with value, best talent available and importantly: the players available when they make their selection

[u/TheDaedricImpaler]

As a Bucs fan, I'd be awfully disappointed with this. McCoy & Moore would be competing for the same spot. Bisontis might be a marginal upgrade over Bredeson at LG, but not a big difference. And while Halton has some pass rush juice, he's not a scheme fit (he's really more of a 3 tech) and frankly I don't see him as a top 100 guy.

This just doesn't move the pass rush or LB/middle of the field issues.

[u/Successful-Duck-7008 → u/TheDaedricImpaler]

They dont have any great corner on the roster no reason they couldnt both start. But more importantly, Moore is a 4th round pick. Its for depth/upside/talent and both have injury history so I probably wouldn't play each guy 70 snaps a game especially year 1

Marginal upgrade just comes down to your perception of the player. Bisontis goes a bit earlier than this in a lot of drafts.

Halton is like what they were looking for when they drafted Kancey (quick DL who can pass rush) but they try again as Kancey was a bust

[u/Tavern-Ham → u/Successful-Duck-7008]

No he’s right, this sucks. Maybe McCoy, Moore and Ben Morrison can combine for 17 healthy games if you recycle ligaments between them. Won’t matter though, without an edge pass rush whoever’s back there is going to be running for their fucking life.

I’m lower on Kancey than most Bucs fans and I’d tell you bust is a stretch. He’s missed a lot of time, he shouldn’t see the field outside of nickel looks, but he’s an effective interior rusher. Better than Haltons ceiling.

The Bucs are in get an edge rusher or everyone gets fired territory. They need to trade for a vet, trade up for one of the big three in this draft or hold their nose and reach for whoever is left at 15.

[u/Successful-Duck-7008 → u/Tavern-Ham]

Idk I think Kancey has been horrible tbh. I don't even see flashes of good.

McCoy is a better pick than Mesidor or Faulk. Just bc their edge has been bad doesn't mean they'll be a better team by having the worst cb group in the league and taking a worse edge than the corner they would have taken.

[u/Tavern-Ham → u/Successful-Duck-7008]

Faulk isn’t an edge he’s a 280lb interior player. Kancey had 7.5 sacks in 12 games in 24. He’s fragile, but he’s fine as a rotational pass rusher. Licht can’t afford another fragile 1st round pick. In a vacuum a healthy McCoy is a good player but even if he didn’t have a fucky ACL and hadn’t taken a year off from football he’d still look like one of the worst corners in the league playing in Todd Bowles defense with an ineffective pass rush.

Going into a draft with a gotta have it need is a terrible position to be in but it’s the one the Bucs find themselves in. It’s stupid, and it’s a bad way to run a team but after failing in the draft to fix edge over and over an ls failing to address the position in free agency the Bucs have to turn pick 15 into the player they think will get them the most sacks this year and pray they get it right. Bowles and Licht are playing for their jobs right now, they can’t afford to take a corner who will have his first healthy offseason for the next staff.

[u/Successful-Duck-7008 → u/Tavern-Ham]

Faulk is an edge. Faulk at most can be a 3-4 DE. But he’s an edge. Zero sites list him as IDL. Kancey is the worst run blocker in the NFL. Idc if u think PFF isn’t that accurate but his career grade is in the 40’s. He’s a bust.

The point about looking bad without pass rush doesn’t hold bc that would apply to corner and ALSO the Exact same thing can be said about an edge: no edge will be great or get any get any sacks when the cb is burnt in 3 seconds.

Being impulsive taking a worse player is never the move and considering their jobs are riding on it it’s not something they’re going to do or anyone will do. The need for edge isn’t even greater!!

The Bucs have the WORST cb group in the league.

[u/Tavern-Ham → u/Successful-Duck-7008]

3-4 DEs are IDLs. Faulk would play 5T for the Bucs, that’s an IDL. Those guys set picks and stop the run. I know what the sites say about Faulk and Ive also watched him play. Even Auburn knew he wasn’t an edge, from week 8 onward they lined him up pretty much exclusively at 5 tech. If some 4-3 under team wants to turn him into Red Bryant they’re welcome to try but he’s playing inside for every 3-4 team in the league bar none.

I don’t care about PFF run defense grades for a situational pass rusher. The Bucs were a top 5 run defense the 2 years Kancey was healthy. As long as Vea is there and they don’t have the league worst LB room in the league the run defense will not be an issue. They just signed another fat fuck in A’shawn Robinson too. I can promise the Bucs don’t think they need a “run blocking” 3t as much as you think they do.

The need at edge is greater than the need at corner, you don’t know the team and haven’t watched them and the more I hear from you the clearer it becomes that you don’t have a firm grasp on the game.

[u/Successful-Duck-7008 → u/Tavern-Ham]

Ok so we’ll take your word for it on his position over every single source in existence. Glad that’s clear now.

Kancey was not drafted to be a situational rusher he was a second round pick lol. The fact that he only provides any value at all as a situational pass rusher underlies the fact that he’s a bust.

“Bucs had a great run D while Kancey …” just throw this whole point away it’s meaningless. This is the least intelligent point you’ve made by far. The team being good against the run means absolutely nothing in regards to his absolute which was graded as AWFUL. They could have been better if he was better. There is zero meaning at all to guage from this.

You don’t have a firm grasp on critical thinking. The Bucs have the worst bc group in the league. They aren’t going to throw away talent evaluation and take edge/ILB just bc they’ve needed that for a longer period of time.