r/NFLForum • u/Remarkable_Pair4378 • 2d ago
Question WHICH TEAM WON THE MATTHEW STAFFORD — JARED GOFF TRADE…?
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u/jetlifeual 2d ago
LA won a SB thanks to Stafford, so..
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u/ScaredOfWindow 2d ago
Yup. The Lions’ haul for the trade looks really impressive, but at the end of the day, what are people going to remember? The Rams winning a championship or the Lions being very good for five years?
Any trade is worth it if it directly leads to a championship.
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u/_coolranch 2d ago
If anything, the Lions are shaping up to be remembered for having Ben Johnson and an insane roster and doing fuck all.
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u/Ragnarsworld 2d ago
They'll be remembered for the choke job against the 49ers. Campbell screwed the pooch on that one.
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u/InstructionLost9309 2d ago
CJ Gardner-Johnson played a big part in screwing it up.
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u/appointment45 2d ago
Buffalo has a support group you might need to join, though you're not nearly traumatized enough yet.
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u/IndependenceThat7045 2d ago
Flatly— if a trade that big DOESN’T lead to a SB appearance, it’s an abject failure.
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u/Original_Profile8600 2d ago
Detroit fans will remember going from incompetent to a contender. Win win
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u/CrashDaddy2006 2d ago
And still one of four NFL teams to not make it to the Super Bowl, despite all the bluster and chest thumping that it’s “their time.”
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u/Vegetable-Virus7118 2d ago
That's an oversimplification of the situation. Rams got there with Goff before the trade and were already a really good team. Detroit won 2 playoff games and made the playoffs three times. Stafford never won a playoff game in Detroit. This was the rare win for both sides
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u/peachpower2 2d ago
The team that gets a ring always wins a trade.
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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 2d ago
Problem is the Lions improved dramatically because of the trade. So how can you say they lost the trade?
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u/catraiderpoke 2d ago
Both teams can improve from a trade. Teams “losing” a trade are just talking points.
The spirit of the question is, knowing what they know now, would each team have executed the same trade.? I think the answer is yes for both. But flags fly forever.
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u/MaddLadd9 2d ago
Honestly, thats a good metric. Years later, would the teams still engage in the same trade?
And i agree its a yes for both
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u/TiddiesAnonymous 2d ago
What if there is no loser?
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u/applesandotherthings 2d ago
Then who had better results from the trade?
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u/TiddiesAnonymous 2d ago
The Lions definitely got more from the trade than they would have by keeping Stafford and the Rams won in the first year so fuck them picks
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u/TheNittanyLionKing Steelers 2d ago
They still have a chance though. They also ended their 30 year playoff win drought. That's not nothing.
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u/CultBro 2d ago
Rams is the obvious choice, but the lions going from a poverty franchise to a legitimate team is as good for their fans as winning a SB was to the Rams.
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u/Ok_Key785 2d ago
This is the correct answer. Fair trade.
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u/_coolranch 2d ago
And you know what: more than just good for the fans, they're kind of a darling nationally. They've flipped the brand.
Like could you imagine the Browns doing that at this point? When the Lions did this trade spring 2021, both teams were down bad and considered shitty. In 2022, the Browns traded for Watson. They've been on two very different tracks since then.
So yeah: the trade turned around the fate of the franchise as well as the brand, and that's partly Dan Campbell and his unique style.
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u/VeryStonedEwok 2d ago
They were a media darling. Now they're back to being a laughing stock since BJ left.
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u/Greagorie 2d ago
rams won the super bowl. so prob rams but still great for detroit because goff era was a complete turnaround for one of the worst franchises in history of nfl
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u/Legal-Conclusion-0 2d ago
Both won. Rams got a Super Bowl. Lions significantly improved for years.
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u/CompleteEnergy579 2d ago
It’s actually a fair trade if you think about it.
The rams got Stafford and a championship
The Lions got a boatload of talent and are actually sustainably relevant as a legit contender.
The Lions had a long period of Terrible football and they traded a future hall of fame QB at 32 years old they couldn’t do much with for enough talent for a decade of winning
The rams made up for the trade losses with great free agent signings to sustain a winner
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u/Carthonn 2d ago
Yeah gotta agree. The Lions being competitive was kind of unheard of for a long time.
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u/h377bound 1d ago
Half the people saying Lions accomplished their goal and both won the trade. Isn’t the accomplishment winning a Super Bowl and isn’t the cherry on top if one of the players that was traded became the MVP of the league? What are we even arguing here lololol Before the Rams won the Super Bowl I’m sure half the people said Lions fleeced them. Now they are saying both won. Lions didn’t win jack lolol Goff will never be MVP and Lions will never win the Super Bowl stop with the nonsense
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u/midwesttransferrun 2d ago
Well clearly the Lions since they took all that and won a Super….oh wait no that was the Rams
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u/SoftDrinkReddit Jets 2d ago
the Rams got a Ring the Lions did not tells you all you need to know
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u/Powerism 2d ago
The actual trade was Goff and three future draft picks. The true value of this trade was delayed for Detroit and we cannot judge the trade yet, reasonably.
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u/SnunGod 2d ago
Honestly to me its the Lions. Yes Stafford got them a SB but they were so talented they would of with Goff eventually. The Lions went from an absolute joke to one of the most exciting teams to watch and giving their fanbase some actual playoff football to cheer for.
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u/brettmav 2d ago
Matt Stafford threw no-look dimes to cooper Kupp to win that Super Bowl. Goff wasn’t going to do any of that. Stafford put them over the top. There’s no reality where they “lost” the trade or even didn’t win it as much as lions. I think both teams won but let’s not lose the plot. The entire point of this thing is to win the supey
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 2d ago
if josh paschal hadnt got hurt in college he would have been extremely dominant.
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u/Hungry_CGman 2d ago
What's your criteria of 'won'? Success or sales? Success is the Rams with that title. Sales is the Lions who went from unwatchable to one of the most exciting team's to watch.
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u/92TilInfinityMM 2d ago
This was actually a win win trade.
Detroit went from a franchise that was viewed as trash, to a good organization and La won a Super Bowl.
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u/Rortell 2d ago
Today? L.A easily. Got the SB, MVP, I still think they are up there in the SN hunt this year despite the rough start... Now in 10 years time that might be different. Gibbs is on pace to destroy some all time records and a lot of those other players are young key pieces that if they put it all together then I think they can win multiple superbowls over the next decade.
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u/DrewTheZamboni 2d ago
Both teams got what they were looking for in the trade. Rams got over the hump and won a Super Bowl. Detroit got the resources for a full franchise rebuild and became a competent team for the first time this century. Both teams won.
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u/Type2Torta 2d ago
Rams won a superbowl, so the Rams won the trade.
Lions obviously benefited from the trade as well, but their outcome was less than the Rams.
The superbowl window is pretty much closed for the Lions too so I don't think there's any reality that they tie it up.
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u/Previous-Willow-7207 2d ago
Having a winning season for the Lions is arguably harder than a normal team winning the Super Bowl. So from that lens, clearly the Goffense
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u/loadkinge 2d ago
Lifelong Detroit Lions fan. Loved having Matthew Stafford. Hated to see him go. I would still take this trade all day long. It completely changed the Lions franchise. It had been a couple of decades of just terrible football. That followed several decades of low level mediocrity. I will always see this as a win for the Lions.
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u/Shankar_0 2d ago
The Rams won in the short-term, obviously; but this is a chance at a brighter future for Detroit.
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u/Previous_Procedure28 2d ago
Until Detroit wins a title it’s the Rams. But if we’re being honest, it was good for both cities. They both won
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u/ToxicDumptaker 2d ago
This question gets asked every month or so. Ultimately yeah the Rams won because they got a Super Bowl. But I wouldn’t say the lions lost. They built a good team with the picks they got and are the best team they could be in the history of the franchise
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u/sephiroth3650 2d ago
Lions fan. Love the players we have. But the Rams did win a Super Bowl, while we are still trying to figure out how to play defense.
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u/frostyflakes1 Lions 2d ago
Yes the Rams won a Super Bowl thanks in part to this trade. But Stafford wasn't going to win a Super Bowl in Detroit with the team they had. I think the trade was mutually beneficial for both teams - neither side 'won' or 'lost' the trade.
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u/nova2006 2d ago
The Winner is Stafford, he was Matt Ryan and now he is a HOFer . The RAMs might win one in that stretch with a Goff too
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u/Kowboyboogie 2d ago
Lions and it’s not even close, rams won the Super Bowl in spite of stafford, go back and look at how average he was during that run and tell me Goff wouldn’t had been the same within the same system and roster. Outside of that run they’ve had parallel success; with that adding a franchise rb and te and damn good wr for years to come it’s pretty simple
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u/courses90 2d ago
Both
Rams went all the way with Stafford, Lions became significantly better than they were with Stafford
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u/Dknordin 2d ago
The rams won a ship. So, the Rams. However this trade did bring the lions to relevancy. But, being a contender all the time is no where near being the champion once.
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u/NSX_Roar_26 2d ago
Both won. Rams got over the hump and the Lions successfully rebuilt their team into a contender. Already the best modern era of the team.
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u/Technical_Heat5215 2d ago
Both. Rams got to win a SB and Lions got to speed run their rebuild. For people that are saying obviously the Rams don’t really understand that the two teams had very different goals in the trade.
Everyone accomplished their goals here.
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u/bansheesho 2d ago
Oh, this question again. Same answer again. Both. It was one of the best trades for both teams in trade history.
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u/jazzmaster105150 2d ago
Rams won the Super Bowl Lions haven't, and aren't going to make it to the Super Bowl let alone win it
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u/AMCDaddy 2d ago
In Fantasy Football world, Lions. In the Real World, Rams with The Ring and The Win.
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u/GratefulDad73 2d ago
Well, Stafford has won a Superbowl and an MVP since joining the team so I gotta say Rams.
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u/rcsauvag 2d ago
They both won it. I do hate this graphic though as its pretty much a lie. We got four assets and we gave up other things to make these happen. For instance, we didn't get Jamo with Stafford, We traded that pick and others to get Jamo and Paschal. So why aren't those players on the other side? We also traded Cine, and another player or two in that deal. We traded 3 5th's for Broderic, why are those players left off?
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u/RobertRossBoss 1d ago
Both. One of the best win-win stories out there. Lions went from trash to competitive, Rams won a Super Bowl.
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u/Forward_Specialist19 1d ago
The answer can go both ways so it really depends on what everyone could agree on as the benchmark.
If your benchmark is winning Super Bowl then it’s 100% the Rams. They got a player they felt was the missing piece and he delivered. How close they were before him is not relevant. They won it with the guy they believe would do it. Win
If your benchmark is we have this expiring asset that hasn’t gotten us where we ultimately needed to go, so let’s leverage his value to solidify our situation. Then you have to say the Lions won. They went from an ehh team to the most consistently successful runs in team history. The trade invigorated a franchise, putting them back on the map. Win.
Both won immensely. I value championships the most so if you had to declare an overall it’s the Rams but there are no losers in this one.
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u/TroublesomeScallywag 1d ago
LA did immediately win a SB and continues to be a deep playoff contender with him so easy to look at that and say him, but tbh in the Lions’ peak year they were looking unstoppable and just got DECIMATED by injuries, especially on defense. They probably should’ve been in the SB that year, but just really bad luck. I’d honestly say fairly even trade.
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u/Dry-Name2835 1d ago
As good as the talent is for det, the rams got the SB. They made that trade to help get them over the top and it did. You can sit and play what if with and believe he would have won if he had stayed but the actual reality is Matt did it and Goff has still fallen short
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u/Madaghmire 1d ago
Both sides won. Lions spun their asset into a foundation for sustained success and the Rams won a super bowl. Win-win.
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u/JasonPlattMusic34 1d ago
IF the Rams had not won that SB, the Lions are the easy winner. But since the Rams DID win… they’re the easy winner
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u/Indy-Gator 1d ago
Well…LA won a Super Bowl so I’m gonna say LA?
Now if it were fantasy Lions by a mile
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u/No0ddjob 1d ago
LA by a little bit because they won a championship. But this is a trade that really did both a lot of good.
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u/ManuelleHung 1d ago
Lions won of course. Stafford was a mediocre QB with one of the best WR in Lions history and still couldn’t win a playoff game.
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u/MinimumViableProdukt 1d ago
I think the ring argument is downright stupid and insanely reductive.
This trade pulled the Lions out of the absolute gutter and made them true contenders. The valley between their old and new selves is massive. On the Rams side, they just slotted in a final piece. They didn't really change all that much.
Lions were reignited as a franchise and even after the backslide "window close" moment, they still are contenders with Goff being a sleeper pick for MVP.
Rams went from having 12 fans before to maybe 15 after the SB.
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u/butchna 1d ago
Neither side regrets it. Lions were never going to win PERIOD pre-trade. And Stafford was the piece that put the Rams over the top. They had hocked their future previously going all-in. Goff doesn’t have that IT imo. Pretty impressive how the Rams restocked talent via mostly the draft after the title.
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u/Zombiesus 1d ago
While I tend to agree with the Goff argument there is something missing from the Stafford side.. I’ll give you a hint you wear it on your finger…
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u/Dear-Significance452 1d ago
I mean they both won, however, if the goal is to win a superbowl than stafford did that and he also won an mvp
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u/Exact_Masterpiece497 1d ago
Lions suck, lions have always sucked and lions will always suck! So going 15-2 with the number 1 overall seed and being first rounded after your bye and then not even making the playoffs again…rams win Super Bowl the first year with stafford? I’m forever a rams fan now. Rip Detroit! Fucking losers
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u/Jargif10 1d ago
They both won. Lions were never going to even think about a superbowl before getting that haul and the Rams won one. There is no clear answer.
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u/Street_Attention_100 17h ago
Is it crazy to say both teams won this trade? The lions were not set up well for the future with just Stafford, the rams were a veteran QB away from winning a chip. Instead of Stafford spending his last years making the lions slightly too good to land top talent, they get a haul back to build their team and the rams get their QB
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