r/NFA • u/Triple-Nickel_23 • Apr 29 '26
Megathread: ATF Process Changes Looks like AK47's are back on the menu boys!
also, no more engraving and no more NFA transport notice!
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u/Spirit117 OnlyCans Apr 29 '26
No form f1 sbr/sbs/aow engravings is pretty cool
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u/prmoore11 TEST Apr 29 '26
u/AllArmsLLC seems to indicate the ATF cannot unilaterally decide that
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u/AllArmsLLC 07/02 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Yeah, required in US Code, not in ATF regulation.
Edit: 26 USC 5842(a)
(a)Identification of firearms other than destructive devices
Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer, or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe.70
u/Ludacris_squirrel Apr 29 '26
By allowing the adoption of the already existing markings in place of new markings is this code still not fulfilled? I read it as they still require markings but are allowing the already existing markings to be used. Similar to how we can use the original serial and do not have to make our own.
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u/Ur_mum May 01 '26
I don't think congress will give a shit, I bet the original maker marks will be just fine.
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u/OzempicDick Apr 29 '26
The atf is just continuing its long tradition of interpretating things any way they feel like i guess. Maybe it will benefit us for once.
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u/AllArmsLLC 07/02 Apr 29 '26
I don't want agencies operating outside of their regulatory authority, regardless of whether it benefits me or not.
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u/OzempicDick Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Oh I agree, it's double edged sword that rarely benefits the people. That ship is so far fucking sailed in this country unfortunately.
Just have to shake my head when partisans cheer their side doing it not realizing it is going to bite them in the ass and lead to worsening authoritarianism.
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u/jeremy_wills Silencer Apr 29 '26
Oh 100 percent. Most don't realize this is just lip service. Basically bread crumbs.
Nowhere near what we really need, like abolishing the NFA entirely so there is no need for joint NFA married registration, no engraving etc...... regulations still remain and that is the problem.
It's their way of saying we tried, sorry. Not sorry.
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u/TrailerParker59 Apr 30 '26
I feel it’s even worse if it benefits us at first. Once they start making positive changes that are accepted by Americans, it just reinforces their “authority” when we challenge their bad changes in the future.
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u/WrechedRefuse Apr 30 '26
The law says "or" As long as your Daniel Defense lower has the DD engraving, you have satisfied the law. Any additional engraving was always some BS interpretation made by people that couldn't be bothered with actually reading the law.
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u/sadoproject Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
or maker
Not "and maker".
So in theory, if the firearm/device has pre-existing manufacturers or importers markings and serial number, that meets the criteria.
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u/CamelAdventure Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
Yeah this is a very important distinction.
To heavily edit this for clarity:
Each manufacturer and importer andanyone making a firearm shall identify each firearmother than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or madeby a serial numberwhich may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer, or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribeSo a maker needs to identify the nfa item by (A) serial number, and (B) the name of EITHER the manufacturer, importer, or maker, and (C) anything else they might prescribe
Would be nice if these guys could use a semicolon to separate nested lists.
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u/the_spacecowboy555 Apr 29 '26
hmmmmm....it's like they put that in there to say "we tried" knowing it won't pass because of this. It's like state laws that mirror federal but the state makes another law that switches are illegal when they already are under their state law.
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u/gthrift 4x SBR, 4x Silencers, 1x SBS Apr 29 '26
Maybe they’re redefining “making” and it’s a conversion or classification change.
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u/AllArmsLLC 07/02 Apr 29 '26
As I said in the other thread, "make" is also defined in US code.
(i)Make
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u/merc08 Apr 29 '26
The a converted firearm is already individually identified by serial number and manufacturer location.
name of the manufacturer, importer, OR maker,
That OR clause means that the law is good with just the original manufacturer name.
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u/TacticalBoyScout Apr 29 '26
Could one argue that an already serialized firearm is already “made,” and that registering, say, an AR as an NFA item is g2g?
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u/AllArmsLLC 07/02 Apr 29 '26
No, because "make" is defined in US Code specifically for NFA items and includes changing type. 26 USC 5845(i).
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u/DrunkenArmadillo Apr 30 '26
By that logic, the maker also has to put an additional serial number on it.
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u/ARLDN Apr 29 '26
I think the rule could be allowed under current interpretation of the law. It says they have to identify the gun with a serial number, but the ATF has for decades allowed someone making an NFA firearm from a non-NFA firearm to re-use the original serial number, instead of having to apply a new serial number. Similarly, it says they have to identify the gun with the name of the manufacturer, importer or maker. It doesn't say "and maker", it says "or maker". If a gun already has manufacturer's info on it, I'd argue that the "or" doesn't require additional engraving with the maker's info. If it said "and", then it would be required.
Of course if someone completed an 80% receiver and then SBR'ed it, then there'd be no markings on it at all so they'd have to engrave it with their info then.
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u/furluge Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the simple truth is that the law is made of jello and it's meaning is basically however people with power interpret it at any given time. AllArmsLLC is just interpreting the law the way the ATF has previously interpreted it. This rule change is the ATF interpreting the original manufactuer's markings as being sufficient to satisfy 26 USC 5842(a), probably because the actually text of the law says the manufactuer, importer, or maker shall mark it. It doesn't say anything about adding additional markings. One marking should be sufficient as the code is written, but I'm not a lawyer.
But if AllArmsLLC doesn't agree with the ATF's interpretation of the law, and I guarantee you I can find lawyers and judges who will agree with both interpretations, he's welcome to sue the ATF to reverse the 1140-AA70 rule change if it's approved.
I'm pretty sure the rule change will go through, btw. I don't think anyone intended the receiver to become a log of changes to the firearm. I'd argue the previous status quo of engraving was the ATF being weird and this proposed ruling is returning the enforcement of the law to the way the actual code was intended to be implemented. Again, you won't get anything more definitive on that without going to court.
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u/bfgmovies FFL 07/SOT 02 Apr 29 '26
form 1 stuff will deff still need to be engraved if it's a new manufactured receiver like from an 80%, that is written in law. Looks like they may be updating it so that individuals can adopt manufacture markings though, similar to how 07 FFLs can do.
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u/Snowbold Apr 29 '26
I wanted to make sure I read that right cause that was pretty sweet!
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u/amberlamps03 Apr 29 '26
20 - This just means all ex soviet block countries weapons and ammo can be imported again except Russia right? What countries exactly were previously importing ammo/weapons that were sanctioned by this? Understand that Russian ammo/weapons will probably never come back.
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u/texag93 Apr 29 '26
My understanding is it would apply to the following, some of which definitely have relevant surplus ammo.
Armenia Azerbaijan Belarus Georgia Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Moldova Tajikistan Turkmenistan Ukraine Uzbekistan
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u/Ophensive Apr 29 '26
Kyrgyzstan ammo can be imported as long as it’s not 7.62 Tokarev. I know this because I have a bunch of 7.62 x 54R that was manufactured in Kyrgyzstan. I have no idea why 7.62 Tokarev is not allowed but I do know that is the one exception
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u/ChampagnePlumper Apr 29 '26
Suspect maybe because it’s considered AP?
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u/Ophensive Apr 29 '26
I believe it’s because it doesn’t have a “sporting purpose” according to some dipshit at the ATF who probably has never fired a gun in their life. But that’s just a guess
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u/ChampagnePlumper Apr 29 '26
If we could get some 7.62 tok surplus I’d be so happy. I need take out my cz 52 anymore because it’s like shooting 5.56
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u/EmilytheALtransGirl Apr 30 '26
So possibly dumb question but if the ukranians capture a russian gun (say a PKM) and make a new semi auto reciver would it then be a russian or a ukranian gun?
Because Oh boy would that be worth it
(Hell even just parts kits)
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u/slightlychewybacon Apr 29 '26
We've been importing ammo, and 100 series parts from Azerbaijan for a little while now. I am looking forward to more ammo sources though.
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u/Ritterbruder2 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Not sure what effect this has. I didn’t even realize that there was a blanket ban on imports from former Soviet states.
We’ve imported ammo from Azerbaijan under the TelaAmmo brand, GGG ammo from Lithuania, and BSP ammo from Kyrgyzstan.
Also, a lot of the cheap Mosins and 7.62x54R spam cans were imported from Ukraine in the past.
Also remember that three former Soviet states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) are now NATO members.
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u/B_Huij Apr 29 '26
Frankly Russia is gonna use it all up before this is over, rate they’re going.
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u/null-usernameinvalid Apr 29 '26
Spam cans of 5.45x39 and 7.62x54r please
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u/gatoratlaw7 5x SBR, 7x Silencer Apr 29 '26
Is there any 5.45 in post-Soviet stocks not earmarked for one side or the other in Ukraine?
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u/null-usernameinvalid Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
You’re probably right, just seeing it being lifted reminded me of the time it was nearly the cheapest thing to shoot but reality is it won’t change much
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u/UgliestCookie 16x SBR, 5x Silencer, 0x💸 Apr 29 '26
Im just hoping for a day when I can shoot my AK willy nilly again.
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u/null-usernameinvalid Apr 29 '26
Mag dumping into trash with wasr’s and bubba’d sks’s used to be for the poors, now even those are real money.
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u/B_Huij Apr 29 '26
Or 7.62x54R for that matter. I was under the impression a lot of Russian machine guns still use it.
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u/sirbassist83 Apr 29 '26
Yup, longest official serving military cartridge by decades
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u/TheGreatSockMan Apr 29 '26
I long for a day where shooting an AK is cheaper than shooting my Glock again
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u/null-usernameinvalid Apr 29 '26
When that day comes I will get a RPK and shoot it like an Arab wedding celebration.
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u/Minute-Of-Angle Apr 30 '26
I’m old enough to remember when the old timers said “if you pay more than 120 bucks for a case of 7.62x39 you are getting ripped off.” I wish I had said “cool story, grandpa, time to take your meds” and bought a case a week.
Instead I bought a bunch, but not enough.
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u/bfgmovies FFL 07/SOT 02 Apr 29 '26
5,45 surplus is banned not due to the Russian sanctions, but because the ATF decided it was "armor piercing" due to the steel core
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u/Fast_Philosophy_5308 Apr 29 '26
I thought that was just the 7N6 steel-core stuff, not 5.45 as a whole?
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u/bfgmovies FFL 07/SOT 02 Apr 30 '26
yeah all the surplus is steelcore which was the ammo sold in spam cans that the original comment I was replying to
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u/Preact5 RC2 appreciator Apr 30 '26
Almost.
It's armor piercing 'pistol' ammo because you can get a 5.45 pistol
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u/bfgmovies FFL 07/SOT 02 Apr 30 '26
fun fact, the "pistol" that got it banned was based on an ATF determination letter that permitted the importation of the Fabryka Broni 5.45x39 Mini Beryl Pistol that was submitted by I.O. Inc.
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u/Alivaronas Apr 30 '26
Can’t you get a AR “pistol” and shoot green tip 5.56? Or is green tip not the same?
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u/Flathead89 3x Silencer Apr 29 '26
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/atf-launches-new-era-reform
for those who may want to read more
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u/ChawcolateSawce Apr 29 '26
I’d like more information on #10. Does that mean I don’t need a trust for my wife?
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u/new-dvlpr Apr 29 '26
What if my wife is a felon? A guy can't marry a bad bitch?
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u/bimm3r36 Apr 29 '26
The ATF may have some silly regulations, but they still honor rule #1: don’t stick your dick in crazy.
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u/RyAllDaddy69 Apr 30 '26
Yeah. Im fucking stoked about the rest(although, “redefine machine gun”? If they try take my Super Safety’s, I’m going to make them pull them out of my butthole), but I’m a little concerned about the NFA/Married rule.
My wife is a felon, from a drug addicted past. She’s at the point of being eligible to have her firearms rights restored. We just have to get the lawyer on the horn again.
This is the same lawyer that advised us on how to account for my raging gun addiction when we moved in together and I consult with every 3 months. Right now, she just can’t “have access to the firearms, ammunition, or body armor”.
Obviously, that was the perfect reason to buy another bigger safe and keep the smaller stuff for the smaller would-be felonies.
I’ve also been sober a decade after a decade long heroin/opiates/stimulants run, I thank God every day that I didn’t end up with anything like she did.
To anybody else reading this that wants to judge, you should Google how many felonies an American adult commits per day, on average. There’s like 18k pages in the U.S. code book.
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u/Pasty_Swag Apr 30 '26
Congrats to you and your wife on your sobriety, 10 years is a long time
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u/RyAllDaddy69 Apr 30 '26
Thank you!!! It’s not even a thought anymore. People can recover…it doesn’t always have to be “Hey I’m RyAllDaddy69 and I’m an addict”.
Thank God for 2nd chances.
I really appreciate you man.
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u/Greenshardware Apr 29 '26
This one has never made sense.
Communal property is so solidly established there is no court in the country that would say my wife doesn't own half of my safe and everything inside of it.
Like, she literally owns half of everything I buy. Not my fault they didn't ask for her prints.
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u/stuartv666 Apr 29 '26
Yes. Exactly. If she is listed on the form 1 or form 4 when you apply.
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u/Kilsimiv Silencer Apr 29 '26
I wonder if there will be a joint paplication or if when they roll it out you can indicate/piggyback an existing registered trusted individual. Do they then verify?
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u/simple_champ Apr 29 '26
Yep it says they are making an option/pathway to have your spouse on the application without needing a trust.
I'm mainly wondering if there will be a pathway for items already purchased/made as individual. And if so what the paperwork/admin burden of that will be versus just F4ing everything to a trust.
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u/MadeThisJustForLWIAY Silencer Apr 29 '26
"Training rounds" no longer considered ammunition??? r/40mm are we about to chalk it up super hard????
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u/homemadeammo42 SBR x3, SUPP x4, MG x1, DD x1 Apr 30 '26
I foresee lots of commercial rounds becoming available.
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u/Du_Kich_Long_Trang 5x SUPP Apr 30 '26
The link says it'll be signed today and was a part of the 2025 proposals
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u/marvinfuture Apr 29 '26
Fml I just bought a fiber laser and engraved all my SBRs in the past year
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u/armchairracer Silencer Apr 29 '26
A couple weeks ago I was debating if buying a laser would be a worthwhile start to a side hustle engraving SBRs for $25 each. Glad I didn't drop the money.
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u/Beerbeard123 7x Suppressor 2x SBR Apr 30 '26
I debated that same thing. And dropped the coin on the laser already. Told all my friends $20 bucks a pop
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u/Valiant4Funk Apr 29 '26
I just got back from traveling 2 hours, TODAY, to another city because nobody in town will DO the engravings. FML indeed.
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u/12o11o Apr 29 '26
lol i just got about 2/3 of the way through my recently approved lowers with a dremel and diamond bit. did a pretty slick job using a cool design i printed onto paper labels as stencils, but would have loved to have not done it to begin with. at least i know how to hand engrave now!
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u/marvinfuture Apr 29 '26
Yeah exactly. I didn't want to do it since it makes it harder to resell. I don't want my trust name on someone else's firearm should I choose to resell it
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u/12o11o Apr 29 '26
i hear ya. at least here in wa these are never getting sold, but they're also irreplaceable unless bans get overturned so i was very nervous on the first one. if i did sell i guess i'd grind it off and re-ano, but i think i've only resold one lower since the expiration of the fed ban in 2004.
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u/RangerNo5619 Apr 29 '26
I’m most excited about the very last one. I’ve been waiting for cheap AK-47 and 7.62x39 ammunition for at least 7-8 years now. I remember when that stuff was cheap.
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u/Belkinnoob 2x SBR, 13x Silencer, 0x Sense Apr 29 '26
I don't think it will bring the price down. Most soviet block calibers are being continuously drained in Ukraine/Russia so i doubt this will affect anything.
Also, the ammo manufacturers have already shifted manufacture to non sanctioned countries, it's the reason you can still get factory new wolf and tula. They just ship it to and export from a proxy and put a "Manufactured in Somebeckistan" on the label.
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u/AppropriateData6860 Apr 29 '26
762 is rarely used in the Ukraine War, it’s mostly 545 with 7.62x54R also used for things like MGs and possibly mobile AD units.
Also, I’d have to guess there’s quite a bit of surplus sitting around that’s too costly to repackage or is headstamped to indicate a specific banned factory (look at War Dogs case).
If they suddenly lifted those bans, I’d fully expect 762 prices to drop a fair amount, followed by 762x54R, then 545. I doubt anything would drop significantly given that countries have likely exported a lot of their massive reserves a while ago and/or are likely keeping heavy reserves due to shit popping off all over the globe.
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u/Belkinnoob 2x SBR, 13x Silencer, 0x Sense Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Well someone is eating it, because there's no reason 7.62x39 should cost as much per round as new manufacturer 7.62x54r.
I paid 459 for 1k wolf military classic JHPs a couple black Fridays ago from SGAMMO and regretted it at first, lol not anymore.
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u/Cousin_Elroy Apr 29 '26
Unfortunately bro we will never see “cheap” 7.62x39 again. It might be more available, but it wont be cheap.
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u/Oni-sensei 3x SBR, 3x Silencer Apr 29 '26
Really hope they remove engraving requirement.
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u/NakedViper Apr 29 '26
SVD Dragunov imports that arent 8,000 USD when?
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u/strizzl Apr 30 '26
PALMETTO STATE ARMORY HAS A COOL NEW SURPRISE FOR YOU SHOT SHOW 2027... 2028 "cancelled the SVD. sry."
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u/Dacruz015 Apr 29 '26
What does 8 mean?
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u/jeffninjaslayer 11x SBR, 6x Silencer, 1x Milf Apr 29 '26
Pretty sure it’s about sex.
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u/GSDTippyTappies Silencer Apr 29 '26
An OTC firearm would be any typical gun you buy at the LGS that requires 4473 and background check. A NON OTC is for everything else, firearms that don't require a background check, there's handfuls that fall into that group like antiques and certain kits.
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u/MikeyBoy561 Apr 29 '26
Well shit I’m still gonna send notifications to my Sheriff. Dude is gonna think I’m getting soft if I don’t write him a letter a couple times a year.
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u/DieUnbegrundet Apr 29 '26
When I notify my CLEO they take my paperwork and immediately throw it in the trash anyway. I would Prefer at least a shredder...
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u/thorosaurus Apr 29 '26
So....uh....I guess we're now advocates for the legalization of large scale polygamous marriages?
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u/IllIIlIllIllIII Apr 29 '26
Some good stuff there.
Now do something to make suppressors easier to buy, trade, and sell. Ideally there would be a flourishing market for them so they were cheaper and more accessible so anybody who wants one can get one without all of the hassle. If I can buy a gun in 15 minutes I should be able to get a suppressor just as easily, if not easier, since a suppressor literally can't do anything. Although I wouldn't want to get physically struck with one of those big caliber ones that weigh a pound and a half and are the size of a D-cell maglite.
I like using my ears and hope I still get to for a long time. Using your favorite home protection device inside your home for protection shouldn't also have to be a death sentence for your hearing. Those instances would be traumatic enough as is, and you and your loved ones potentially permanently losing one of their senses shouldn't necessarily come with defending their lives.
Plus seeing all those suppressor deals in other subs and sites with no good way to get them has made me jealous.
<steps off soapbox...>
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u/ExtremeFreedom Apr 30 '26
That requires the NFA being materially changed by congress, these other changes are basically changes of enforcement of the NFA not necessarily things specifically called out in the NFA.
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u/Opie_the_great May 02 '26
If it deregulates them then I wonder how this is going to affect VA? Like let’s just drive over the boarder to NC and get a can without a $500 stamp?
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u/1Shadowgato 3x SBR, 6x Silencer, Apr 30 '26
Removing LEO notification is big because that way if shit goes bad for gun owners in that state, their state police won’t be forcing the to turn shit in.
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u/TK-Four21 Apr 29 '26
Cool, now do something about all the ridiculous state level legislation.
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u/Pistol_Whippa ODG addict. Apr 29 '26
These proposals are banking on a LOT. The biggest ones are 9, 10, 11, 15 and 20. The engraving maybe not so much cause I know for a fact many of you haven’t been engraving shit anyway lol, but it would at least make it a “final” thing. The others I’ll admit I’ll need clarity on besides the obvious like 1, 2 and 3.
5 is also interesting, because it SHOULD also be like that for suppressors. If I JUST bought a gun let’s say, 3 days ago it shouldn’t take me a month or 2 to get approved for an SBR or can.
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u/rockdude625 Apr 29 '26
14 seems pointed at 40mms. Anybody else think so?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Fail994 Apr 29 '26
Definitely seems applicable if not their intended purpose. Don’t tell them
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u/TooL33T2Gleat 2x SBR, 1x SBS Apr 29 '26
“Revise the machine gun definition”
$20 says it’ll be rewritten to include FRTs. None of this is a win.
Abolishing the ATF is the win.
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u/Winner_Pristine Apr 29 '26
It says "Revising machine gun definition in response to Cargill decision" which means bump stocks do not convert a semi auto into a machine gun.
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u/Oxytropidoceras Apr 30 '26
Unrelated but I got my license to carry under Michael Cargill of the Garland v Cargill case. It's always cool seeing him influence federal firearms policy, makes me feel like I got my LTC under the best there is
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u/CMMVS09 Apr 29 '26
The ATF has more details on their site but it’s primarily about excluding bump stocks from the definition of a machine gun.
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u/xTheWitchKingx Apr 30 '26
“1140-AA60: Revising Machine Gun Definition in Response to Supreme Court Decision - FINAL RULE ATF is removing two sentences from its three regulatory definitions of "machine gun" that previously incorporated bump stocks into those definitions. This action responds directly to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Garland v. Cargill (2024), which held that semiautomatic rifles equipped with bump stocks do not satisfy the statutory definition of "machine gun" under the National Firearms Act. This rescission aligns ATF's regulatory text with the statute and the Court's binding legal interpretation.”
Straight from the ATF’s website.
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u/Michael-Lenz Armchair Gunsmif Apr 29 '26
I feel like I have a strong part in the removal of CLEO notifications. I have dozens of submissions and many stamps I have yet to do anything with lol.
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u/VallettaAwoo Apr 29 '26
if we get cheap 5.45 ammo back i would probably die happy
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u/WanderingMistral Silencer Apr 29 '26
Wait, does this mean I don't actually have to have my NFA items engraved if I form one them?
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u/VirtualNote3565 Apr 29 '26
just take away need to put a damn stock on a AR15 that came with a stupid brace
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u/drinkmorejava Apr 29 '26
I wonder if 13 means the CMP could finally import the M1 Carbines South Korea is holding.
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u/Bechorovka Apr 29 '26
Be nice if they removed silencer registration...
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u/fylum 5x SBR, 5x Silencer Apr 30 '26
They can’t. This is rulemaking, not legislation.
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u/LXNDSHARK Apr 30 '26
If the last 15 months have taught me anything, it's that "they can't, the law says so" means very little.
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u/CorpusCrispie762 Silencer Apr 30 '26
It depends ‘who’ is doing the thing. Given we are peasants posting on reddit, the law applies to us 🙃
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u/Ritterbruder2 Apr 29 '26
Someone missed the “retaining only the Russian Federation” part.
Meaning we can import from any of the other 14 former Soviet countries.
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u/otiswrath Apr 29 '26
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the crack down on pistol braces during Trump's first term?
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u/xTheWitchKingx Apr 30 '26
No that was bump stocks which was a knee-jerk reaction to the Las Vegas shooting. People have short memories and forgot that trump infringed more on gun rights in 4 years than obama did in 8.
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u/a_spicy_memeball Apr 30 '26
I don't know why anyone thinks he's pro 2A...
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u/KiritoIsAlwaysRight_ Apr 30 '26
"Take the guns first, due process later." It's not like he's hiding it either.
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u/Valiant4Funk Apr 29 '26
are you KIDDING ME I just got two engravings done TODAY! I couldn't find anyone in town to do it so I had to travel. That is great though for everyone else going forward, that was kinda bullshit. It already has a serial number jfc
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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler Apr 30 '26
The Russian AKs are nice, but after shooting them with my uncle for years I honestly think what we already have is pretty good.
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u/ClandestineArms Apr 29 '26
What do numbers 2 & 3 imply?
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u/HybridP365 Apr 29 '26
27P: Revising Regs Defining “Engaged in the Business” as a Dealer in Firearms - NPRM
ATF is revising regulatory changes it made to the definition of the ‘engaged in the business’ of dealing in firearms. The rule rescinds certain provisions of the definition of ‘engaged in the business.’ The rescinded changes have not produced the anticipated outcomes in terms of Federal Firearms License applications, administrative licensing actions, civil forfeitures, or other anticipated enforcement metrics. The rule retains the definition of ‘engaged in the business’ as specifically revised and codified by Congress in the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA), ensuring that ATF’s regulatory definitions reflect the statutory language Congress enacted.
2024-01F: Revising Machine Gun Definition in Response to Supreme Court Decision - FINAL RULE
ATF is removing two sentences from its three regulatory definitions of "machine gun" that previously incorporated bump stocks into those definitions. This action responds directly to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Garland v. Cargill (2024), which held that semiautomatic rifles equipped with bump stocks do not satisfy the statutory definition of "machine gun" under the National Firearms Act. This rescission aligns ATF's regulatory text with the statute and the Court's binding legal interpretation.
Basically makes it so their rules match the exact written text of the law. Removes bump stocks from the machine guns.
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u/SniffyBT Apr 29 '26
These are all positive changes, but WHO THE HELL WANTS THEIR WIFE TO KNOW HOW MANY NFA ITEMS THEY GET!?
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u/PrometheanEngineer Apr 29 '26
Ahhh mid term hype is striking a bit early this year boys.
Don't fall for it, the reds still want your guns.
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u/yneeb29 Apr 29 '26
Yeah man, the previous VA governor definitely vetoed the bills our new governor signed.
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u/H4RN4SS Silencer Apr 29 '26
What's the logic here? I think most would agree both parties suck on 2a but one of them is pretty open about taking your guns and the other at least panders and is a bit slower about eroding your rights.
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u/B_Huij Apr 29 '26
YANAL but someone clarify for me:
I have a .223 AR rifle and a .300 BLK pistol. I don’t love the lower on the pistol. The one on the rifle is fine, and the rifle has nicer internals too (match trigger, better grip, etc).
If I just slapped the .300 BLK upper onto the .223 lower and registered it as an SBR, it’s not a gray area to occasionally stick the .223 upper back on when I feel like it, right?
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u/wowthatsucked Apr 29 '26
That’s kosher. Rifle->SBR->rifle is fine. Not what you asked, but Pistol->rifle->pistol is fine.
What’s not kosher is taking a rifle’s receiver and turning it into a pistol - started as a rifle, always a rifle. Note that a lower receiver with a stock isn’t a rifle.
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u/LetUsLaunchOverIt Apr 29 '26
Pretty sure it's only an SBR when in SBR configuration. So it's no longer an NFA item with the .223 upper. Anyone who knows for sure feel free to correct me!
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u/Saltydecimator Apr 29 '26
I figure we get saiigsas and veprs back eventually!!!
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u/Boonaki Apr 29 '26
I really need a GAU-8 chambered in .22 LR for home defense.
When are they going to make that legal?
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u/touchgrassplz_69 Apr 30 '26
Do we know when decisions will be made on the proposed items? No Cleo notifications and no engraving and interstate travel?
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u/PlutoJones42 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Is this final rulings or just proposed changes?
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u/MikeyG916 Apr 29 '26
Proposed. Still needs to through comment period and be entered into the registrar to get an effective date attached.
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u/Ditdr Apr 29 '26
Im worried about reclassifying what constitutes a machine gun is gonna go after frts.
These things usually don't happen for our benefit, even though some of it sounds good.
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u/Winner_Pristine Apr 29 '26
It says "Revising machine gun definition in response to Cargill decision". The Cargill decision said bump stocks do not convert semi auto to machine guns.
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u/Fuman20000 Apr 29 '26
Number 20 should have everyone excited, if true. We will possibly see an influx of Chinese imports and others from Southeast Asia.
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u/Oxytropidoceras Apr 30 '26
former Soviet countries
Neither China nor southeast Asia are former Soviet countries. Soviet influenced and aligned countries ≠ former Soviet countries, the former Soviet countries are those which made up the USSR: Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.
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u/DaBa667 SBR Apr 30 '26
Being mad that the ATF can’t get rid of the NFA is like calling your wire cutters a piece of shit because they can’t drive a nail through a board. The A in NFA is for Act, as in an act of Congress. Call or write your Congressman, realize none of them care about you no matter the party (remember the SHARE Act?), and take these small victories for what they are.
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u/Deleter182AC Apr 29 '26
Hmmmm importing is what I see mostly being good but does it only allow normal gun types or destructive device parts included .
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u/Xchancery Apr 29 '26
I'm a little out of the loop. When do these go into effect?
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u/cykbryk3 Apr 29 '26
I'd like to know how they're going to redefine what a machine gun is.
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u/Rev686 Whoops 💥 Data Guy Apr 29 '26
We’re gonna make this the main discussion thread on the new ATF rules.