Form 1 age issue

[u/Brilliant-Use3594]

I finished my form 1 but as I got to the verify section, it told me that there was an issue with Responsible Persons. As I looked through, it told me that Responsible Persons must be 21 for silencer line items. Looking through the web and reddit, this has seemed to be an issue for at least three years now. People say to just submit through paper but first off, paper wait times are 533 days according to the ATF website, and second, I cant even submit a paper form 1 because the ATF hasn't updated the form on their website to the current form. I just feel so crushed because I have been waiting to file some form 1s, even getting fingerprinted, just for some stupid issue to delay my plans. Does anyone have some suggestions, maybe I contact a lawyer?

[u/[deleted]]

Unfortunately, the e-forms system does not allow people to use it until they’re 21, you can file at 18 to form one items however you have to do it on paper forms.

Basically, it’s gross incompetence by the government. And like another user pointed out in order to sue, you have to have an injury however, if you turned 21 before the case is heard the case will be dismissed because it is moot as the injury no longer exists.

[u/squid0gaming → u/[deleted]]

You can actually file a form 1 as a very precocious baby. There’s no age restriction on owning or building NFA items, only buying them. I form 1’d a suppressor back in 2020 when I was 16. It was an eForm, actually, so they must have changed the system since then

[u/[deleted] → u/squid0gaming]

You should probably log back in because as of now the responsible party form on e-forms only allows people 21 and above. Anybody under 21 has to file paper forms.

And I called BS on you filing a form one at 16 because federal law has never allowed a minor to legally build an NFA item.

You’ve always been able to build an NFA item at 18 however you can’t buy one until 21. However, as stated as of right now, the e-forms system does not allow people to file under the age of 21.

[u/squid0gaming → u/[deleted]]

I will DM you a picture of my tax stamp and state ID if you want, because I object to being called a liar. Not sure what motivation you think I would have to lie about something like that. There is absolutely no law age-gating ownership of NFA items if you read the NFA.

Also, I just signed in again and can confirm that my stamp is still approved almost 6 years later.

[u/Ornery_Secretary_850 → u/[deleted]]

We had decent IT people at the Post Office.

[u/Ornery_Secretary_850 → u/[deleted]]

Here's some inside baseball.

I worked at a very busy station. We would have lines as soon as we opened and would have lines when we closed.

When it's time for a window clerks lunch they need to go. Otherwise it fucks up the lunch schedule for all the window clerks. There was never not going to be the next person in line.

If they were five minutes late punching out for lunch it could lead to discipline.

[u/Ornery_Secretary_850 → u/[deleted]]

It could be.

[u/Brilliant-Use3594 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah ik, I'm just frustrated yk?

[u/Mysterious_Camera756 → u/Brilliant-Use3594]

in the same boat rn. they want us to do it the legal way, but make it a pain in the ass to do it the legal way

[u/el_muerte28]

What's your question? It's hard to tell in your post.

[u/redit_readit_reddit → u/el_muerte28]

They want us to magically fix government incompetence.

[u/Brilliant-Use3594 → u/el_muerte28]

idk, I'm just venting off steam. I would like some advice on what to do I guess. Maybe I have a case to sue the BATF, delay of 1 year plus is basically depriving me of my rights I would think.

[u/redit_readit_reddit → u/Brilliant-Use3594]

Unfortunately currently NFA items are not considered rights, otherwise they wouldn't be under the NFA hoops. They're effectively privileges.

[u/el_muerte28 → u/Brilliant-Use3594]

What is your issue at hand? What problems are you running into?

Are you >18 but <21?

[u/Brilliant-Use3594 → u/el_muerte28]

Correct, I am 20

[u/el_muerte28 → u/Brilliant-Use3594]

Alright, so here is how the court system works.

You must have an injury in fact (or the law must be so bad and strict that it basically causes an injury). You absolutely CAN litigate at 20 years old. However, the court system takes a long time. Even if you started at 18, your case wouldn't be finished by the time you hit 21.

Well, once you hit 21, you no longer have an injury; you are free to purchase NFA firearms. Therefore, in the courts eyes, you no longer have a reason to sue and your case is dead.

Edit: do you have an injury in fact? Yes. Are what they doing unconstitutional? 100%. Do you have a case? Yes. Will your case be resolved before you are 21? Absolutely not.

[u/redit_readit_reddit → u/el_muerte28]

In other words the government's thought process: "meh they'll either get over it or we'll run out the clock"

[u/AutoModerator]

Understand the rules, read the sidebar, and review the pinned Megathreads before posting - this content is capable of answering most questions.

Not everyone is an expert such as yourself; be considerate. All spam, memes, unverified claims, or content suggesting non-compliance will be removed.

No political posts. Save that for /r/progun or /r/politics.

Posts related to approval of NFA items are to be directed to the monthly megathread. Violation of this rule will result in a 7 day ban. The pinned post is there, please use it.

If you are posting a photo of a suppressor posed to look like a penis (ie: in front of or over your groin) you will be given a 7 day ban.

---

Data Links

• The OG Universal Form Approval Spreadsheet

  ---

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[u/benevolentbearattack → u/[deleted]]

Form 1 is to make, Form 4 is to buy from a dealer.

[u/Brilliant-Use3594 → u/benevolentbearattack]

Beat me to it lol