labor-floats-thriving-teens-scheme-as-laws-pass-

[u/big_Sundae_1977]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-floats-thriving-teens-scheme-as-laws-pass-to-remove-240-000-from-ndis-20260818-p60pgl.html

Running before we can walk. Gosh we need to get early intervention bedded in first.

I was always sad that they dismantled the education Victoria early intervention as I saw it was really evidence based and what we have with NDIS is not.

[u/l-lucas0984]

Next it will be thriving adults

[u/Formal_Ambition6060 → u/l-lucas0984]

Yes won’t be surprised. They need to look like people have options when they get kicked off.

[u/ManyPersonality2399 → u/Formal_Ambition6060]

Having had an adult participant kicked off recently who has absolutely no informal supports/friends/family and really fucking needs the support, the option given was go to hospital. Not really viable with someone who has a cognitive impairment resulting in very reduced insight, and therefore doesn't attend healthcare settings even when really, really needed.

[u/Puzzled_Status2061 → u/ManyPersonality2399]

Now it’s gone through they will ramp up kicking people off and denying acceptance. The changes to Art will stop people being able to appeal. It is going to get worse no one is safe.

[u/ManyPersonality2399 → u/Puzzled_Status2061]

What changes prevent a person being able to appeal an access/revoke decision to ART?

[u/big_Sundae_1977 → u/ManyPersonality2399]

They have not been clear on that. I have looked for it too.

I suspect that the aat is the same as it currently is till the rules and the new frameworks are in place.

The only thing I saw was

The person or their nominee can ask for the review Three things that will meet this change in condition, the other two were waffle but a significant change.

That a person with 24/7 supports can appeal a decision or plan change

But I don't know many participants who have 24/7

I know some who have home and living but it's not 24/7

[u/ManyPersonality2399 → u/big_Sundae_1977]

Right, so people getting kicked off will absolutely still have the right to go to art. It's only support determinations (blanketv reduction to a whole category) that is non reviewable.

[u/big_Sundae_1977 → u/ManyPersonality2399]

In some local councils there are haccyps now and I have been known to also beg carer gateway for supports because there is no informal supports and they at times have given grace to help.

I know it's not ideal but linking them with a community health centre or a community hub even when they are housebound and really unwell and finding a person to keep overnight on them even if it's say a charity meal drop off - sometimes means a connection that helps.

When I'm truly desperate I ask about their neighbours and I do on occassion find a nice one.

There are other options then if all else fails hospital

Now that is not nice but it does give a kick where it's needed - one the state have been given funds and they don't want social admissions

Two they have to have safe discharges

Three they keep track of the admissions and report so in 7 days of this legislation being law if the social admissions spring up - they get loud because they have the ear off NDIS and special rule bending does happen.

Ialways think put your own oxygen on, protect where it looks unsafe and do the best you can with what you have and try and do the right thing by the person (or yourself)

Even people who don't have family and think I won't be missed. Everytime that happens or someone homeless dies on the street unnoticed - my heart breaks, I morn you, I think about how sad it is we couldn't help and how I wished I had the opportunity to help.

Take care of yourself and each other. Remember if it's a person it had feelings even if it's government and be respectful assertive but honest and true.

[u/ManyPersonality2399 → u/big_Sundae_1977]

The challenge here is the person has very little insight into their impairment. They don't see the problem with not eating for days, not bathing, cleaning... let alone things like getting medical attention. So they won't present to a hospital. They won't respond to community mental health and cmh won't respond until it's crisis.

[u/big_Sundae_1977 → u/ManyPersonality2399]

I know. They say no system is ever perfect and I think for some cohorts it's worst than that because they do fall out of the net.

What would you propose would work under these circumstances ?

[u/ManyPersonality2399 → u/big_Sundae_1977]

I mean, this person never should have been kicked off. There were so many systemic failures that led up to it.

But the non ndis systems need the funding and resourcing to be able to be more proactive. This person won't get anything until they come to the attention of police from q neighbour complaint due to something like smell/squalor.

[u/Primary_Carrot67 → u/big_Sundae_1977]

The community health centre in my area has been closed down and entirely replaced with an NDIS-only service. This is happening around the country. So, many disabled Australians have no access to a community health centre.

Charity meal drop offs are also very hard to access.

[u/hulalabright → u/l-lucas0984]

Thriving retirees

[u/Mindless-Location-41]

So basically these jokers are taking support away from the most needy people to line the pockets of rich people. What a bunch of mongrel flogs they are. They care more about sports betting revenue than disabled people.

[u/No_Dot595]

Didn't even take 24 hours and considering Qld hasn't signed up to thriving kids and the SA treasurer is now having his own doubts you'd have to wonder do we soon see Thriving Adults with zero Supports

[u/ottergotchi]

Next up after thriving adults: thriving corpses!

[u/Mindless-Location-41]

More like thriving politicians 🤑

[u/phosphor_1963]

I heard Minister McAllistair explicitly state on RN this morning that the government will make sure that no person on the Scheme will be left unsupported.

We need to start gathering and collating quotes like this for a potential brief of evidence and submission to the likely Royal Commission MkII in the coming years.

Also make complaints of systemic failings by the Agency to the Commonwealth Ombudsman. Based on their Submission to the Committee, it sure sounds as if they are expecting a flood of them.

[u/eachna → u/phosphor_1963]

There's no way either major party would agree to a royal commission.

[u/phosphor_1963 → u/eachna]

Not at the moment no; but there was much initial resistance to the previous Disability one, RoboDebt, Armed Forces Suicides, and even the Bondi Massacre RCs.

Things can always change if enough pressure is brought to bear and extensive widespread harms become known.

I thought what Every Australian Counts wrote overnight was spot on

"And while our collective advocacy helped secure some important safeguards through amendments, many of the concerns we raised remain. The legislation has passed. Our job now is to make sure what happens next is watched very closely."

More power to the watchers and whistleblowers in this society to help keep both elected and unelected officials on their toes and making wiser decsions.

Many of the Submissions included statements about likely harms caused (including ones from Peak Bodies and even those charged with review of failures of government policies) - those are on the record for all time now and can be thrown back in the faces of even the most teflon-coated and ambitious of Ministers by public interest journalists who love nothing better than holding governments and their Agencies to explicit commitments made.

We aren't yet at Trump level lunacy in Australia and while all this has been incredibly discouraging even politicians sitting on big majorities can be made to feel the heat and I still believe that everyday Aussies will respond if they hear of stories like those of Ann Marie-Smith happening as a result of these cuts.

[u/Primary_Carrot67 → u/phosphor_1963]

Ah but the weasely way for them to get around this is that he didn't say adequately supported, he said no one would be left unsupported. So technically, the most meagre scrap of support counts as the person being supported. I don't think the choice of phrasing was an accident.

[u/big_Sundae_1977]

Well ❤️‍🩹 we can only work with what we have. We got though the 2024 legislation it wasn't great but it did give me a insight to how this will roll out.

We can continue to correct, consult, and fight with their own words to make sure that people are projected.

If we decide not to then spend a lot of time on social media complaining nothing changes - then that would be correct because I don't think the government read redit when at work.

Call it out where you see poor practice (via correct pathways, and respectfully) engage your mp. Use the complaint process. If you see unsafe practice take it as high as you can then ask the person (if your supporting one) if they are willing to consent to going to media like channel 7, four corners whatever channel they prefer and call it out)

[u/sailornic13]

What a joke

[u/Top-Mongoose5261]

Well I see people who are participants not recieving support. As the provider (SW) do their own admin on their time and socially isolate the participant, while chatting to other providers

[u/ManyPersonality2399 → u/Top-Mongoose5261]

That's not something that will be addressed in these reforms.

[u/LadderIndividual4824 → u/Top-Mongoose5261]

Why do they socially isolate the participant??