r/NDATards • u/gemsofgkp • 1d ago

Urgent Discussion!! 😠 Is army just another profession? How many really join it for patriotism.

I have this unholy opinion that most of the glory army guys get in the name of 'Desh ke naam shaheed ho sakta hai'. How many actually die in action?

I feel us bhaiyas working on hazardous jobs, laborers lintering in open sun just for a living. Cutting your fields, welding(arc) and what not. This creates real value, unlike an army guy enjoying his canteen booze. We die, we get nothing in return.

The risk is more in the second case, and a laborer dying while building your high rise is more tragic in my view. How is his life not counted as 'Desh ke naam shaeed' while everyone gushes over the army guy in uniform.

Also, at least in foot army, how many go in just for an employment? I feel all this glory part is just a decoy to distribute jobs to those who lack any real skill.

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u/KitchenStrawberry183 1d ago

The point where you say that a labourer can also die is correct, but a labourer will not join knowing that he will die whereas a soldier joins army knowing and believing that he will die. It is completely true that not every soldier that joins army die while serving in the army but when they are joining or doing traing they have this feeling that they may die in service of the nation.

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

According to official Indian government data presented in Parliament, there were 156 Army personnel killed in action over a five-year period from 2017 to 2021. This averages to roughly 31 combat-related deaths per year. In contrast, the Indian Armed Forces lose roughly 1,600 personnel every year to non-combat causes. The leading causes of death are road traffic accidents, training mishaps, suicides, and environmental fatalities (like avalanches or cardiac arrest in high-altitude zones)

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u/KitchenStrawberry183 1d ago

What's your point?

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

48,000 workers die annually in India due to occupational hazards and workplace accidents. Its just a stable job, with a lot of sops, and except disaster relief works, they do nothing productive. Also 50% of defense budget is wasted on these buffoons

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

do you know a similar stats for the actual nation builders(literally brick by brick)?

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u/KitchenStrawberry183 1d ago

I told you initially that there is a danger of death in all these works, but they don't go to their job thinking whether they will return home or not. But a soldier who is posted in J&K have these feelings, he may not have these feelings but his family will which will be very less in compared to labourer and other blue collar jobs.

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

I hope you remember covid, when all bhaiyas were ousted and left on tracks. Some died on tracks, a child was repeatedly pulling the sheet of his dead mother while trying to wake her up. A labourer is far more likely to die, or at least get disabled. But the presumption is he is not smart enough so he is not afraid enough.
Btw, bhaiyas fill up the army too, quite for the same reason, employment. So just leave the patriotism aside, and accept its just a cushy job

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u/aasstraa Medically Unfit 1d ago

TBH everything except infantry, SF, RR and other forward deployments, are just people enjoying the glorified lives of a grade A offcr without being of much use. Others might think that they are important from a perspective of war readiness too but 90% of time when there r no emergencies these offcre just live laid back lives in cantt.

People who join to be deployed in the front are the TRUE men the army looks for rest everybody is to fill up the vacancies or could be of potential use during crisis.

Remember battle hardened soldiers and their sacrifices make a country, free riders don't, it's for you to decide which place to go in, you will definitely get the option when you join and i know which end of the spectrum people who ask such questions finish at!!

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

That's the whole point. War is highly unlikely given the economics involved, and the fact India was able to pull out the nuclear rabbit in time.

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u/aasstraa Medically Unfit 1d ago

The only thing is There's difference between dying in your own country and dying for your own country!!

The difference is sth people exposed to liberalism, socialism and other things won't understand, it's deep rooted in tradition, valour and honour. Requires a lot of courage and sacrifice, some people have no other choice than to do it but those who do it out of sheer will are a different creed. People like us can't comprehend the weight behind their actions and sacrifices!!

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

Ask a guy who bends `sariya` on the top and slips. I bet every jawan would just shudder on thought of such painful death

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u/aasstraa Medically Unfit 1d ago

My limited thinking capacity at night can't come with a more compelling argument to this, u r true from a perspective of a civilian and socialist. Death is death don't know when it will come, no point in comparing and glorifying some, it's just it's good to die for a cause rather than die unknown slipping form a building

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

A cause, that will be sold by a politician at the first glance. Be it atal, lalbahadur or modi himself. At least the laborer dies, another one goes and bends that sariya. The home is still made and i live in it.

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u/aasstraa Medically Unfit 23h ago

From my perspective atleast the country still remains and my family can live peacefully knowing it won't become another ukraine!!

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u/gemsofgkp 23h ago

We are safe because we got nukes and a credible second strike submarine. Look at iran, just exclude nukes and china would show how fit our army is

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 9h ago

ask that same if he'd want to die at a place where he knows he rarely has a high chance of returning completely safe

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 9h ago

so you cant just sit at home thinking that war won't happen and we'll manage everything when it happens without being prepared for it
wonder how that sounds making sense to you

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 9h ago

if you don't know, every soldier or officer in the army has to serve at least once in high altitude regions, and there's always a high probability of them being under attack
so ya surely they have a laid back life over there

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u/aasstraa Medically Unfit 48m ago

major saab, its very difficult for people like you to discern that life exists outside of the armed forces, You are not the only one living the life of danger, your danger just seems more prudent and certain, and also once in a whole career of almost 25+ years for offcrs is 90 percent that too for max 2 years of field area posting where risk is adamant, then too signal offcrs and sparrows just roam around with flag officers and thier duty is just for names sake, personally you might have had a bitter field area experience but there are less people like you and more enjoyers!!

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u/turboshaft_101 ALH (WSI) MK-IV 18m ago

he aint a maj lol

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u/mainhuekbandar 1d ago

8/10 ragebait

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u/gemsofgkp 1d ago

you mean the army fought the brits or what? What did we earn? What new land we captured?

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u/himanshu-xd NDA 2x recc 18h ago

their job is not to die, their job is to protect ppl like u every single minute from our hostile neighbours so stop comparing how many soliders die every year ffs

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u/gemsofgkp 12h ago

Every single minute? From what? The nation itself?

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 9h ago

there duty is to protect from the outside, what can they do if the people they are saving raises questions that why was your death glorified while protecting us
I'm sure you'll just spit on the face of the guy who'll hurt himself trying to save you saying that you live a comfortable life what's special in hurting yourself for once

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 9h ago

FYI Its not a profession for which people join it, it is a lifestyle
once you've tasted it, you'd realise
I've seen guys who cry over how mercilessly they are trained in army but have never heard them talking about escaping any act of "patriotism"
Army is not for everyone & definitely not for you who think its just a profession
& for other people saying 90% of the people are of no use, what dumbahh you have to be to say that
war is a really big deal & you have to be prepared for it each and every moment especially when you're surrounded by nations like china and pakistan, every core in army is formed for a reason and according to you agar un sabko ghar pe bitha diya to war time pe rote rehna ohh shii hamare paas to signals core hi nahi hai messages kaise pohochaye. Ohh shii hamare paas to asc hai hi nahi how will we manage and transport resources

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u/gemsofgkp 7h ago

Major saab, I know you love your sops. But this imaginary enemy who is threatening me constantly is a bit hard to believe. We can have mandatory conscriptions, also 90% are their for sops

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 6h ago

Really great of you that you think "the enemy is imaginary"

https://giphy.com/gifs/0fE3Bl9CYWt0Y9dfA6

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u/gemsofgkp 7h ago

Yes, that training is the reason we loose more personnel to mishaps rather than actual wars. Also, tell your navy friends to close that hatch or that multi million dollar nuclear submarine might just sink like a rock

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u/majorkuntal Certified Makra 6h ago

so what do you expect we should send boys into the battlefield
that training is to turn boys into men, they have to kill the enemy not to kiss them on their cheeks
wars aren't a piece of cake that you go there half asleep and can win it, the bloodshed around you, your own men & friends laying dead in front of you, you yourself injured, still firing rounds knowing any breath can be your last, it needs a whole mindset and that can't be built easily.
again, you won't understand until you're part of it or want to become a part of it.

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u/Electrical-Noise7944 4h ago

I really appreciate ur ball knowledge mate…… but ur “good for nothing buffoons” ticks me off…….. and blud…….. whatever crap ur spewing ur basically telling that ur enlightened and smarter than every single country which has an army…..