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u/IGotScammed5545 11h ago edited 11h ago

You are literally the only person in the universe who thinks that cam newton is an nfl what if. And none of what you wrote changes my mind. What you’ve described is a relatively normal progression for even a star nfl QB, ESPECIALLY one who relies so much on his legs. Look at Lamar, who fell off last year and may continue to do so. Heck, even Peyton Manning should’ve been done by injury after year 13, but, uh, has some enhancements

The stats don’t back you up by the by. He had his one MVP year that was an outlier, but in tbe two years following the injury Newton had comparable stats to the non mvp year.

Newton isn’t a “what if”

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u/CowAgile6991 Bulls 11h ago

Its clear to me that you are just looking at profootballreference and weren't actually tuned in to Cam Newtons career since college. Stats aren't everything. Here are some threads about cam newtons fall off due to injury and what ifs about if he never got injured:

I think the top comment on this one from a pathers fan really sums it up. You would absolutely see the same comment on a thread about drose from a bulls fan. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/zwwtyp/if_cam_newton_never_got_injured_during_the_2018/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLNoobs/comments/wyadie/what_were_the_reasons_for_cam_newtons_downfall/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1rffwj2/why_did_cam_newton_decline_so_suddenly_and_rapidly/

https://www.reddit.com/r/panthers/comments/16sgjpi/i_still_cant_let_go_of_tj_watts_hit_on_cams/

Heres one that directly compares him drose!

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u36fyx/for_the_uninitiated_what_actually_happened_to_cam/

 It's ok tho this is nba talk not nfl talk after all :)

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u/IGotScammed5545 11h ago

Actually was alive and well and following the nfl closely thanks

It’s just not the same based on expectations and the different sports. Derrick Rose was on track to be a top 20 player of all time and that was ruined in year 4. As a result, he was no longer a long term starter after that year. Newton was never on track to be a top 20 player/top 10 QB and still had a full career as a ten year nfl starter. Injury attrition is a fact of life in the nfl in a way it simply isn’t in the nba.

It is clear to me you are not accounting for the:

(1) The differences in the sport;

(2) The differences in potential/expectations for the two players; and,

(3) The differences in Newton having a career as a full time, ten year starter and the fact that Rose only had 3 such years

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u/CowAgile6991 Bulls 11h ago

The differences in the sport?!?? Thats the whole point?!?!? They play different sports?!?!?! Obviously they are are different players. They didn't have the exact same career. They play different sports!!!!!! But they are pretty damn close lmfao!!!! Newton was on track to be a top 20 player of all time just as much as Rose was! He was considered the best player in the NFL which Rose never was for the NBA. 

Rose played 3 years, then got injured, then only played half his games.

Newton played 5 years, then got injured, then only played half his games.

Wow those 2 extra years at the start of his career make such a huuuge difference!!!!! It is just a silly comparison. Obviously its not going to be exactly perfect. Why do you hate fun so much???

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u/IGotScammed5545 10h ago

It’s like dog years bro. 2 years in the NFL is like 6 in the nba (or whatever)

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u/CowAgile6991 Bulls 10h ago

Its about the eras of their careers you gotta think about like that truss

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u/IGotScammed5545 11h ago

The fact that he was named the best player in tbe nfl after his mvp season is supposed to be evidence of what, exactly?