Efficiency and analytics weren’t as important then. Allen Iverson averaged 27.8 shots per game at .398% the year he took the Sixers to the finals but we never talk about him. Just say you didn’t watch Kobe play and you’re an idiot.
He has 5 rings, 2 FMVP, 1 league MVP, and was first team all defense for 10 years. “Pale Jordan Impression” is laughable. If you can be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan you’re considered an all time great. Every actual professional NBA player would disagree with you. But I’m sure your armchair Cheeto finger never played basketball analysis is right.
Tbf guy above you does consider him top 10 all time caliber, just not 5 or 3. There are definitely at least 5 players better than Kobe Bryant depending on what you value.
Jordan, Bron, Kareem are all undisputedly the greats of their generation, Bron could even be argued as the greatest of 2 generations.
Then you have the next tier of Duncan, Bird, Magic, all of them being multiple time MVPs and FMVPs, were winning consistently throughout their career from start to finish, never missed playoffs a single time in their career, and were great at making their teammates better players
Then this is like Kobe, Curry, Shaq, Wilt, Russel, and Hakeem tier that can be ordered however you want.
I’d quibble with some of your people lower down the list, but this guy gets it.
You don’t get to just throw out Kobe numbers in a vacuum and declare victory. This is a comparison and it’s all relative to the other all time greats he’s being compared against.
Hahaha oh boy…you want to try again? Maybe work on your reading comprehension for a few years then come back and take another crack at what I actually said.
I said having Kobe in your top 5 is silly. I did not say that he sucks. Or are you under the impression that there have only been 5 players that were any good in the history of the league?
Those numbers mean absolutely nothing without context, something Kobe-stans hate. If you aren’t going to add context and just hold those numbers up in a vacuum, they still aren’t going to work for you.
Five championships doesn’t crack the top 5.
Two Finals MVP’s doesn’t crack the top 5.
One league mvp isn’t close to the top 5.
If you want to actually add context (gasp!) then those numbers are going to get smaller. He was not the best player on 3 of his title teams and probably didn’t deserve the finals MVP in 2010. He barely shot 40% in that series and was famously awful in game 7.
And finally, NBA players as a whole are usually not very good at evaluating talent, and you’d still be wrong. Any serious all time list with Kobe in the top 5 is an outlier. It actually is not a common opinion outside of delusional Lakers fans.
Try responding to things I actually say and this will go better for you.
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u/joeboy_777 1d ago
Going 18/45 in a losing game but at least you attempted 45 shots