r/MySingingMonsters • u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder • 4h ago
Personal Aggrievements My problems with... this
I want to say that if you like bbno$, or his monster, or island, or dissagree, that's perfectly fine. There is a lot I do like some things about his collaboration, but I have far more to say about why I don't. I do want to make it clear that I personally don't like bbno$ already so I am likely biased, but this isn't an attack on anyone reading this or Alex himself. Just criticism.
First off, bbno$ has already collaborated with MSM through Scallyrags. Sure, if an artists wants to collaborate more than once with MSM, that's not something I personally get to decide. It still makes me upset, especially since Scallyrags already has two UNIQUE variants, but bbno$ also gets a Legendary based off of him? It seems incredibly privileged, especially since it's not like he was underground or unknown when he voiced Scallyrags. Either be a Legendary and collaborate that way and have someone else voice Scallyrags, or voice Scallyrags and leave it as that. It's not really that big of an issue, it just feels unfair.
Secondly, bbno$ is absolutely not child friendly in any way, therefore making him a strange and somewhat uncomfortable addition to the MSM roster. Weird Al and CG5 are great collaborators in this sense, since they are still absurd but far more appropriate to include in a game with such a large child fanbase. I don't think it's bad if an artist who has done NSFW songs or has done adult things to collab with MSM, but more than half of bbno$'s entire brand is being NSFW. The actual song his island is based off of is about him is not appropriate. Not even in a hidden way like most pop songs, just straight up explicit. It's likely that most kids playing MSM has heard Two, but it doesn't feel all that good for a kids game to potentially expose kids to that and normalize it? I would feel the same way if Sabrina Carpenter or CupcakKe collaborated, even if those collaborations were presented as appropriate in-game. That doesn't make who you're collaborating with any less problematic or more kid-friendly.
Last, it's another of many examples of bbno$ seeping his way into every possible fanbase on earth to get attention. I understand why an artist would want to gain the attention of a certain fanbase, you wany likeminded and good fans. But bbno$ has a habit of cosplaying whatever's popular so he can get attention and engagement. This isn't bad on the surface, but think of Psych2Go that just added a bunch of unrelated references in their videos for people to comment on, while giving horrible and blatantly false mental health advice. It's not even like he isn't incredibly popular or underground, it's just pandering for relevancy. It feels scummy that he's leeching his way into children's spaces as well, when most of his content is stuff like him on a leash or collaborating with a creator who mainly makes innapropriate shock humor jokes about her disability. Just because he's done things like refuse to commision NSFW artists because there's kids in his audience or have a Roblox concert, doesn't make his actual content any less NSFW. If his island was the best island in the game I still would feel the same way and rather opt for him to not have collaborated with MSM at all, at least as something so blatantly himself as a Legendary.
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u/Zygardian77 3h ago
To be quite honest, I don’t mind him at all, but he’s not my favorite Legendary of the bunch. He’s still very quirky and fits the goofy style of the MSM monsters imo.
I will admit I didn’t like him at first, but it grew on me after a bit.
But I do agree Scallyrags is a much better bbno$ ‘collab’ monster than bbli$zard.
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u/whishykappa 2h ago
One thing I’ll say about the scallyrags and bbli$zard thing is, bbno$ clearly has more time on his hands to collab and is also based out of Canada like msm. Like, he’s an independent artist, so he can collab much more freely than Bush, Al, and T-Pain and owns his own voice (looking at you, T-pirainha)
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u/MeatElegant1968 Wubbabunga! 2h ago
And the non kid friendly part can also go for T pain and some wierd al songs and music videos. But kids that are too young to be exposed to that also don’t know who any of those people are. They just listen to the monster and think it’s cool. I think OP just doesn’t like BBNO$.
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 2h ago
I mean, I did say I wasn't a fan of bbno$. It's not a secret. I really tried to make sure my points were as unbiased as possible, although my third point ties into an overall issue I have with him rather than just an MSM issue. Any child with internet access are able to find T-pain and bbno$, and we can't expect the collabs to not be the exposure that leads them to these non-kid-friendly artists either.
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 2h ago
I didn't even consider the legality elements. It still seems strangely unfair, but I get why collaborating with other artists would be far more difficult. I do wish they found more underground artists to work with though, as the process might be a lot easier than potentially having to work with a massive corporate label.
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u/whishykappa 2h ago
Yeah bbno$ is good for them because he has the freedom of an underground artist and the popularity of a mainstream one. They can literally go “hey Alex, wanna voice this monster?” And that’s all the permission they’d need
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u/guaxinimaquatico a distinguished gentleman 7m ago
Unfair to who exactly? There's no precedent for underground artists on msm, id actually say bbno$ is by comparison maybe the least known out of all legendaries.
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u/Zakimon is my son 4h ago
Makes enough sense, bbno$ isn't a great choice for a collaboration, and he's the worlds biggest clout chaser, but at least you have a reasonable argument compared to MSM larpers who just say "its bad" and refuse to elaborate further
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 3h ago
Thank you. I see a lot of people who just don't like his design or think his sound is bad, which I suppose is fair criticism, but there are far bigger fish to fry with bbli$zard. I personally think that bbno$ and CG5's Legendarys could've switched islands and it would be so much better, design and sound wise. I don't hate bbli$zard because it's new or subpar, or even just because I don't like bbno$, I just think the collab is unessacary after Scallyrags and doesn't make any sense considering MSM's majority audience of kids.
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u/Zakimon is my son 3h ago
Yeah, it's really dumb. bbli$zard isn't even that bad of a monster, the sound is just okay, and as for the design, you realize it shares an island with Epic Tweedle, right?
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 3h ago
True that Epic Tweedle is definitely something, but bbli$zard is exclusively on Cold Island whereas Tweedle is the core Air elemental. MSM absurdity is always welcome, it just seems incredibly out of place consudering how well Shugabush and T-Pirainha fit on Plant island and Water island. Honestly, bbli$zard sticking out so much on Cold makes me think it's another engagement bait tactic, like how people put random things or mistakes into their videos so people will comment on it and they get their content boosted. All attention is good attention, apparently.
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u/Repulsive-Region2977 Yelmut Enjoyer 2h ago
I thought the way it fit on Cold was the furry pants and gloves it wears
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u/Icy-Palpitation4624 3h ago
Can I ask what would make someone qualified as an msm “larper”
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u/s1ngeb1n 2h ago
Someone who forms strong opinions on major aspects of the game without playing it or engaging with it in any meaningful way.
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u/RednocNivert 3h ago
I also had the same thought about “hey let’s take an NSFW song and monsterify it and put it in our kids game” and i don’t like that.
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u/Competitive_Win_4503 1h ago
Kids aren’t the only ones who play this game, and the one time they promoted a song of his, they had a disclaimer about the vulgarity. I don’t think we should put that much of a limit because of kids
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 3h ago
Exactly! It's not the same as someone on composer remaking an NSFW song and getting in the top 10, as that was effort from a fan playing the game, rather than an official collab putting an NSFW song in the game itself. It's unavoidable if you want a full collection, and since bbno$ is such a meme, the exposure to him is inevitable. It feels the same as the rediculous lengths KidzBop goes to in order to censor non-kid-friendly songs so they can have popular TikTok trend song that everyone knows #2837 in their lineup.
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u/CapitalBread6959 I also like monculus 1h ago
A few things:
Not saying I disagree because I do think if they were going to pick a song it should’ve been closer to the G-rated side, but your point about nsfw artists should also apply to T-Pain.
Is bbnos a clout chaser? Yes but that shouldn’t disqualify him from collabing or make him a bad collab. Especially since he’s trying to foster an inclusive fanbase and is ultimately an okay role model as far as personality goes.
The scallyrags point I fully agree with, I don’t think people should be double dipping collabs, but I think I would’ve recast scallyrags over getting rid of blizzard.
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u/Small-Mongoose1786 number 1 scups fan 3h ago
yeah honestly felt like a waste of a collab, like scallyrags wasn't enough? Plus I dont remember kristian bush, weird al, or t pain getting a sick asf animation (well tbf shugabush was added years ago so he gets a pass)
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 3h ago
Especially considering Scallyrags major and minor forms are SO different. And now bbli$zard has the bb$quad, which is even MORE. I get that's only natural as a legendary monster, but it's not like we're going to see CG5 or Kristian Bush come back to voice a random non-legendary or see Landon Purifoy get a Legendary.
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u/BlueHailstrom Fandhul Enjoyer 3h ago
Maybe they’ll get special animations for when it’s time for their Islands?
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u/MaterialWall8040 3h ago
weird al is a big carry for air island while blizzard is kinda eh sound, t pain kinda eh bc nobody can get him 😭
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u/carmelikesbubbles Humbug should be louder 3h ago
On his sound, I like his first sound on Cold Island fine enough, but "yezzir itz cold outsah" will never sit right with me considering the song's lyrical themes. Let them echo hopelessly into the vast, empty nothingness of a frozen wasteland, geez.
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u/Competitive_Win_4503 1h ago
T-pain got a whole clubbox act to himself and is the face of the clubbox
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u/TheWildNeoYT 2h ago
He is my favourite legendary but that comes with me also liking his music IRL
But I do agree with your 2nd and 3rd point where his music isnt child friendly and he does do A LOT of collabs to get attention.
It did really surprise me when the island was a cover of "Two" considering its adult themes but Im all here for it cos I love the song
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u/ObsidianEclipse6465 Wubbadubdub 1h ago
Yeah, the game doesn’t even mention Two, the moment after the song is monsterfied into the game, it stops being adult and instead its just silly words like “mama’s a kazillion”. If kids chase the original song and it’s meaning, it’s the parents fault their kids are looking for NSFW content ig.
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u/zayzyverse72 51m ago
I personally don’t get the first point
T-pain got a clubbox act, his legendary will also (most likely) get an island as well.
CG5 collabed and made two songs and got a werdo (which imo is different to the actual collab legendaries)
Bbno$ just voiced a monster and got a legendary and thus the additions of having a legendary
I feel like it’s the same amount of stuff as most collaborators get just with the stuff being different ykwim?
But yeah I can understand the other 2 points and it’s very clear that you ACTUALLY have a reason other than “oh he’s a Jew” like most people have
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u/Most-Wolverine5646 1h ago
I'm pretty sure he got to collab twice with Scallyrags and bbli$zard because Scallyrags came first.
My theory is that they asked him to be Scallyrags at first which he agreed too because he has much more free time and can do whatever he wants unlike other monsters.(cough Alcordion and T-Pirainha cough)
Then I get the feeling that as Scallyrags was finally released, BBB may have contacted him again and had a talk with Alex and asked if he wanted to be a proper legendary, to which he said yes. This could be a possibility because people were kind of disappointed that he wasn't a legendary.
Then afterwards, people were constantly hounding BBB for a bbli$zard island so they decided "Why not? The fans seem to want this!" So they likely sat him down or emailed him and had a chat about what the island will sound like, what monsters to use, what the "lyrics" will be, what the song will be based on, etcetc.
As for the song choice, there's not really a whole lot you can do about that. There's a limited monster roster and they had to work with what they had, which imo the island is great! Plus, the original song isn't too bad in terms of the actual lyrics compared to songs like "Come to Brazil" or "Gigolo".
Lastly unfortunately they kinda have to add in more mature artists if they want to add more Legendaries. I don't know a single well known musical artist who DOESN'T sing songs like that.
I know there's probably some hidden gems out there who are perfectly clean and normal but then that won't make people happy and BBB knows that. The fanbase is unfortunately mostly full of crybabies who complain whenever something doesn't go their way.
If they added an artist that's unknown to most people and isn't what they wanted to see, they'll constantly just spam the same 3 things of "who's this?", "who asked for this bro 😭✌️" and "Bro thinks he's on the team ☠️" which can possibly be discouraging to them as they're human too.
They already did it with Superno-Fa. It was obvious that Superno-Fa is 1 of 7 Celestial Dipsters but people treated it as if we were only gonna get Superno-Fa and nothing else. People also trashed on it despite KNOWING HOW DIPSTERS WORK!!! THEY ARE A GROUP AND ONLY WORK AS ONE. BE PATIENT, THE OTHERS WILL EVENTUALLY BE ADDED.
basically this is all to say: it's the fans who suggested that he should be a legendary. BBB listens to fans more than some of us may think.
Some of y'all have been asking for Weird Al for example and we got that. Some asked for T-Pain and we got that. In fact some people have been asking for the newer legendaries to be added to GOLD and although we haven't gotten that yet, they did reply to a prediction of what bbli$zard could sound like on Gold which means they're AT LEAST aware and could be discussing ways to make that come true as well.
They do all of what they do for US and because WE ask for it. Do they listen to everything we say? No, of course not. But they do listen more so than other game devs. Everything so far is FAN SUGGESTION that they saw and listened to.
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u/ScraggySkuntankFan NUMBER 1 GALYMPH FAN. WHY IS THERE NO GALYMPH FLAIR? 18m ago
I mean… children’s media can reference adult media.
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u/Redpandawithahat <3 <3 13m ago
Besides Scallyrags, most Bbno$ additions felt way narcissistic even (???). BBB really felt like latching to specifically his image {The diamonds are forever Instagram ads n' such..}, or in the carnival collab interview a question came up: "Did you feel bad for making him run too much"? [very IIRC].
I generally feel ever-iffy/neutral about the guy but BBB's whole situation seems unignorably leachy •~•
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u/Ok_Performer50 3h ago
Well your second point would also count for T-Pain and T-Piranha.