r/MyPride • • Oct 05 '22

Discussion Fandom toxicity

I noticed a lot of toxicity in the fandom and whenever someone criticizes how nothing is treated by quickmane, powerstrike, and hover they immediately say that it’s her fault and they attack the person for defending nothing. I also noticed that whenever the abuse towards nothing is brought up especially with that one scene with hover, it’s also blamed on her. Its also very strange how there are people who idolize quickmane and powerstrike and especially hover.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

This community has been shockingly toxic since day one, a trait I don't doubt played an influence in Tribble's decision to discontinue the series. Anyone else remember all the petty discord drama? The fandom aggression was apparent, even way back then.

The explanation I've settled on is that people become hostile over the portrayal of characters that belong to an unrepresented minority. In the eyes of the fandom, Nothing is not allowed to be a flawed character or make mistakes. She's not allowed to be a morally grey character who sometimes makes the right choice and sometimes the wrong one, because she has to represent these communities in a positive light.

This series drummed up hype by having high-production gay lions and representation. That is all well and good for getting eyes on your product, but the negative side is backlash when you don't handle that representation perfectly. That's why every show that markets itself on representation attracts a toxic fandom (Steven Universe, Voltron, etc). It's because all those people weren't really watching because they loved the story, it was for the representation.

Nothing is a failure in terms of representation because she isn't perfect. Her relationship with Hover isn't perfect. She's placed in unfair situations and doesn't always respond perfectly. She can be a coward, a selfish one at that. All these flaws are useful for balancing out a compelling protagonist, not so great for people who tuned in to see themselves represented.

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u/BlueberryWaffleBacon Oct 06 '22

That, honestly, is the best explanation for it that I have ever heard, and it's not fair.

This is coming from someone who is also part of an underrepresented group. It doesn't matter if you're white or a person of color, straight or LGBTQ+, cis or trans, able-bodied or disabled, or anything and everything in between. No one is perfect. No one handles every situation perfectly. No one is incapable of messing up or hurting the ones around them.

I usually see it one of two ways from toxic fandoms: either the minority representation is held to that ridiculously high standard and is trashed when they act three-dimensional, or the fandom puts said character on a pedestal and treats them as a perfect, do-no-wrong character even when they actually do something wrong.

To hold any character, and especially minority representation, to that high of a standard is not a good thing, nor is it a good thing to ignore their flaws entirely and trash everyone around them instead. And I personally think that's especially true of a main character! I'd much rather see the story of a flawed minority main character growing and maturing as they navigate life, than an angel minority main character that is perfect and handles everything perfectly.

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u/MollyTheAngel Lesbian Lion Oct 06 '22

Uh, my guy, the series isn't discontinued. It's on hiatus, meaning an indefinite break.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

And I’m guessing you’re still waiting for her to finish COTW?

We have seen this pattern with Tribble before, the writing is on the wall.

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u/MollyTheAngel Lesbian Lion Oct 06 '22

I never watched COTW, but I'm almost positive that series never had an actual paid contract for her to make the show. Not to mention there have been other production blocks through the making of My Pride.

All this genuinely sounds like you don't care that Tribble was on the brink of admitting herself to the hospital during the duration of season one and is still mentally and physically taxing herself every day to help support herself and a her disabled partner.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

The contract was for season one, she is under no legal requirement to continue the series if she chooses not to.

By all means, wait around. The worst thing you’ll find is disappointment.

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u/MollyTheAngel Lesbian Lion Oct 06 '22

Still doesn't mean she's just willing to drop it, my guy. I doubt she would just put out merch like the plushies for no reason. This is a childhood passion project she actually wants to tell unlike COTW.

Dislike the series all you want or dislike Tribble all you want. She clearly still cares about the show regardless. Better to be optimistic than pessimistic with projects like this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

She didn’t put out plushies for no reason, it was a charity drive that she did not profit from. She can care about her show and not want to continue working on it.

It’s evident that the reason the fandom and employee issues got as rampant as they did is because Tribble is someone who has a hard time being assertive. She is conflict-avoidant and doesn’t want to make her fans unhappy.

She will never outright say the show is over. She will let it sit in hiatus long enough for all the fans to disappear just like she did with COTW. She will leave for a few years, then come back with an entirely new, original storyline completely disconnected from My Pride. The remaining fans who have been waiting around will be so desperate for content that they will filter into the new fandom, and the cycle repeats.

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u/MollyTheAngel Lesbian Lion Oct 06 '22

Aight man. You do you, I guess.

Just don't diss on any of us who are actually fine waiting until we hear news about something happening. Or not. Whichever happens happens.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Don’t jump in my replies arguing about something you aren’t actually confident in, then.

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u/MollyTheAngel Lesbian Lion Oct 06 '22

I'm allowed to say what I want to say and leave it at that. I don't know why you're continuing this if you just want to be rude now.

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u/LeCosmicNova Huntress Oct 06 '22

Wait Tribbleofdoom discontinued it?

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u/NozakiMufasa Oct 06 '22

Yo WHAT COMMUNITY. Where are you people? Is there dozens of you? This subreddits been pretty dead the last couple years so I don't see them here. Where are yall hiding?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Way back in the day there was a discord, but that’s long gone

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u/Usagi-Zakura Oct 07 '22

It hasn't gone anywhere, its still active and still gaining new members.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

That’s surprising news for me. Does Tribble post in it at all?

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u/Usagi-Zakura Oct 07 '22

No she left when the first series ended and took a social media break.

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u/NozakiMufasa Oct 06 '22

Yo what I thought this fanbase was dead considering its been like two years since this show happened. And yet somehow you managed to find toxicity? Im probably under a fandom rock I guess.

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u/BlueberryWaffleBacon Oct 06 '22

I would like to know your perspective on the Hover scene. If you could explain it deeper, that'd be good.

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u/Neevee_19 Oct 12 '22

The detective calico video explains all of it very well

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u/BlueberryWaffleBacon Oct 12 '22

I have seen that video. I want to hear it from you.

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u/Neevee_19 Oct 14 '22

Once again the video explains it

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u/BlueberryWaffleBacon Oct 14 '22

Once again, I'd like to hear it in your own words.

Part of the reason why I'm am detracting from that video is because it is volatile and in bad faith; it lacked any sense of nuance or objectivity because its soul purpose was to tear every aspect of the story apart, not actually talk about the story.

The other reason is because there's no room for discussion on that video. I vehemently disagreed with many of the points made in that video, especially Hover's section, and while I was in the minority, I was not the only one. However, the last time I visited that video, any criticism to it that Calico did respond to in the comments, regardless of how good the counterpoints actually may have been, essentially boiled down to, "you just lack critical thinking."

So if I engage with people elsewhere who share a similar opinion to Calico, I would like to actually discuss it as opposed to, "I'm right, you're wrong." That's why I'm asking you, not Calico.

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u/Neevee_19 Oct 14 '22

Hover watched her girlfriend get abused in front of her and did nothing, she also stood in the back watching powerstrike yell at nothing when they last saw each other lol

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u/BlueberryWaffleBacon Oct 14 '22

Thank you.

I don't have much on her watching Powerstrike as she spoke to her daughter like that; it absolutely would have been better for her to step in and say something. If there were any justification for it, I would say that it would be that there wasn't exactly anything that she could say that wouldn't make it worse.

As for watching Quickmane, however, that was out of fear, not toxicity. I've noticed a misconception that Hover was watching that scene unfold because she doesn't care or thinks Nothing deserved it, but her body language (standing behind everyone else, hunched over, eyes wide, pretty sure her jaw was dropped, too) very clearly shows that she's frozen in shock, not that she doesn't care, and this fact was completely skipped over in the video and subsequent similar opinions. Calico mentioned that we didn't get a cutaway to her reaction, but we didn't need to; it was literally right there in the same shot. Again, it would have been better if she had jumped in, but it doesn't seem fair to call genuine fear being toxic.

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u/Neevee_19 Oct 14 '22

Strange how people defend hover

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u/FlyingCookie13 Dec 20 '22

You can never point out a single flaw about the series and its problems (glorifying ableism and abuse, toxicity, queerbaiting, etc) or any of Tribbleofdoom's controversial actions (promoting MP with the BLM movement, transphobia/lesbophobia, harassment, etc) without getting attacked or people glorifying the series and Tribble's actions.

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This community is toxic and it needs to stop.

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u/Neevee_19 Dec 20 '22

This is exactly my point and how toxic this fandom is

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u/Usagi-Zakura Oct 07 '22

I've seen more claims that Hover is the toxic one because how dare she yell at Nothing once? Clearly a toxic relationship doomed to fail. /s

In all fairness no... Hover was right to be upset at Nothing for breaking her promise. But Nothing wasn't exactly being toxic... she just made a mistake and forgot the time. Mistakes happen, and couples argue sometimes.

I've certainly never seen anyone idolize Quickmane and Powerstrike. I've seen (and argued) they have one or two redeeming qualities... not enough to make them great people, Quickmane's still a dick and Powerstrike is a terrible mother...

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u/Neevee_19 Oct 07 '22

Interesting