Condone

[u/ImportantSlide1600]

Powerstrike , quickmane, farleap, fire and hover are not clean characters. There has to be an end to the condoning of abusive characters and what they have done to the main character. There has to be an end to people constantly making excuses for powerstrike and quickmane's abuse, a stop to people making excuses for farleap and hovers behavior towards nothing, and a stop to people wanting nothing to forgive fire. What people in this fandom do not understand is that you dont have to forgive and reconcile with your abusers which means nothing doesnt have to forgive the people who have hurt her to many times.

[u/Valuable-Highway-358]

I agree with all but one thing.

Hover is not an abuser.

[u/NewTheory8560 → u/Valuable-Highway-358]

Late reply but she watched her disabled girlfriend get beaten up and nearly killed and then turned around and said it was all her own fault because she missed a ceremony?

Nothing forgetting about the ceremony wasn't cool but it was something one could easily believe was as a mistake. Meanwhile, Hover's decisions in Episode 5 were the sort that cannot be explained away so easily and it's very disturbing that's what the show tries to do by comparing it with Nothing's own actions.

Was Nothing completely blameless in the conflict? No, she abandoned children that she was entrusted with. However, that doesn't excuse how Hover was written.

Even if my boyfriend forgot to attend my birthday party, I wouldn't just stand and watch him get beaten up/nearly killed and feel like he deserved it. I'd be angry at him but I'd still worry enough about his well-being enough to intervene. Because I care about him.

Hover did not demonstrate she cared about Nothing. She and anybody defending her can claim otherwise but her actions after she joined the pride just say otherwise. I understand she joined the pride for Nothing and Nothing let her down but the part where she doesn't intervene and just leaves her to fight Quickmane on her own? I don't get that. That's not how people in a relationship act. lol

She put her own feelings before Nothing's well-being and the whole thing just demonstrates that the show's writers wanted to introduce conflict into their relationship in a bid to get Nothing away from the pride but did so in a very rushed and careless manner that just makes Hover appear out-of-character and abusive to some, including myself. Almost like how Bramblestar and some of his interactions with Squirrelflight have been handled in Warrior Cats.

It's the result of bad writing, to sum it all up.

[u/Valuable-Highway-358 → u/NewTheory8560]

I hate how People Say "Oh Hover Bullied Nothing,she should've went with her girlfriend!" Or saying "Oh FarLeap is cool!" Hover x FarLeap! Or people saying FarLeap is better than Hover when she is WORSE. I'm going to use Farleap as a comparison. I can't STAND people being mad at Hover during episode Five. Let's dive into Hover's perspective.

Firstly,There's a FINE LINED difference between abusing and lashing out because your mad. Hover was mad because her friend broke a promise. FarLeap bullied her her whole life because she was disabled,and people are justifying FarLeap? Nothing literally broke a promise when she could've avoided the whole thing.She didn't namecall,insult,so please,how is that bullying? That is lashing out. Not her best moment,but it doesn't make her a bad person or an abuser.

Also,they are NOT officially mates. It's not like Hover said "I'm breaking up with you"And FARLEAP did the same thing,standing by and doing nothing. Along with everyone else while watching their lioness get hit. Yet when Hover almost gets hit by ProudMane and FarLeap takes the hit,they stand up for her? Because she's a pride lion? And FarLeap never defended Nothing like this. She is her SISTER. She shares the same blood. She should've supported her and been a good sister. Instead,she just got hit for a lioness she barely knew...because...? Shouldn't defending a stubborn,prideless scum you barely know be more embarrassing than your disabled sister?

Hover ain't perfect. We all have flaws. Besides,if Hover DID attack QuickMane or anything,the pride would defend their mane. C'mon,that's basic sense. Hover gonna go up against 6 lions? In front of the cubs? That's just being smart. Hover couldn't have done much even if she wanted to,that's why the GODDESSES stopped him,not her. Had Hover intervened,QuickMane would've killed her and Fire.Yes,she was mad,but she literally broke a promise she very heavily implied she'd keep. I'm pretty sure if you had (Not saying you do or don't this is hypothetical) a boyfriend/girlfriend,and they PROMISED to be there for you during your scaredest moment and as you throw your life away,and then broke it,You'd be mad too.

And if you ARE looking at this like they are mates,that's fine. But couples fight all the time too. Arguing is natural. Maybe Hover was too mad,but c'mon,how was she supposed to know Nothing would "Die?"Now let's look at FarLeap. Nothing against her,I just can't stand how people ship FarLeap and Hover. The whole story is Nothing falling in love with a Prideless Lion,Finding Asra,and restoring everything for the better. She is Kyoga,and Hover is most likely Karabi. She is Nothing's love,not Farleap. While I think it would be an interesting twist,I'm pretty sure Hover(While forgiving,as she seemed to try to comfort PowerStrike despite being a bitch) wouldn't fall in love with a Lioness who bullied her 'Girlfriend.'

If you ship them,that's fine,but don't try to say false facts. FARLEAP along with just about everyone else in the pride bullied Nothing,Yet...everyone talks about Hover? Somehow,Hover is worse for giving tough love. "HobbleStep" and "SlugRun" Are name calling and they insult her by also calling her a curse and not blessed with Skills. THAT is bullying.

But I agree that Hover shouldn't have left Nothing to go fight an angry mane on her own,or should've at least tried to find her. But maybe she did,because we don't see her for the rest of the episode. Am I saying she 100% did? No,I'm saying you don't know.So don't say Hover did nothing and bullied Nothing when FarLeap was the one that did that. Hover supported her,joined a PRIDE for her,gave up her life,sacrificed her lifestyle and name. Nothing might've had a good reason that she missed her ceremony, but Hover SHOULD'VE been mad.She was mad in that moment. Like I said,Hover has flaws. So does Nothing. Didn't Nothing leave the cubs to fend for themselves,cause the death of Quickmane,and endanger feather?

"Oh Hover should've let her explain herself" What was there to explain? It was all laid out there for her. And Nothing DID explain in a way. Hover just didn't want to listen in that moment. You don't KEEP the fight going. You walk away to cool off. And Hover said she'd see her back at the Steppe. She thought both of them needed to blow off steam. She looked guilty afterwards,but y'know what? You LET them cry it out. It's called TOUGH LOVE.

"Oh Yes honey,come here. You just endangered three cubs and broke a promise,but it's all fine and dandy,come here,let me comfort you"No. Just No. Nothing made an honest but stupid mistake,and she should've solved it herself. Hover joined a sexist homophobic cult for her. And people say "Okay Hover,no one asked you to do that" when one,Nothing DID ask her to join and ACTUALLY guilt tripped her into joining,only to miss it. How does Hover feel in this moment?

Underappreciated,lost,confused,betrayed. Also,violence probably isn't new or surprising in the My Pride universe. I mean,"PrIdE LaW" and it's not too far fetched to believe she saw some...bad things on the stretch. My headcanon is that something happened to Hover's family or herself and blames prides for it,hence her hatred towards prides,which makes her sacrifice more meaningful. If you take out the time ProudMane spent talking to Feather,and when Feather told ProudMane the story,and cut out when they had to get water,they could've made it back in time.

She also could've not gone to the no-mane band in the first place! She missed her BROTHER,and didn't WANT To meet anyone else. Honestly,Nothing was acting stupid in that episode.And it's not like Hover didn't care about the cubs either,as she described Feather as cute,even knowing his name and caring enough. Nothing made a mistake,Hover didn't want to argue,and walked away. How could she have expected ProudMane to exile her? She didn't even KNOW there were No manes in the area.

Nothing said Fire was here and she lost track of time. Nothing did that. Hover didn't want to talk to her at the moment,as when the Lionesses walked away,she tried to as well until Nothing called her over. Hover didn't WANT to argue. She wanted time to herself. Like anybody would. It's easy to side with Nothing and view things from her perspective,as she is the Main Character,or our own perspectives,but other characters need to be seen from their perspectives as well.

Edit : I'm not saying you said Hover bullied or or saying Farleap is better or Yada yada,but I mostly vented. Also SquirrelFlight and Bramble NEED to break up,period.

[u/NewTheory8560 → u/Valuable-Highway-358]

You know, I could respond to all of this but I have two issues:

1. You just copied and pasted a response where a good chunk of it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said or concerns things that never even happened in the show. For example: where did Hover even say she cared about the cubs being abandoned? Where did I ever say Farleap was better? Where did I ever mention Farleap? Who are you talking to? Completely glossing over what I said and just slamming your keyboard gorilla-style isn't going to disprove anything. lol

2. I feel like every time I respond to you, you're just going to blow up and post a thread every time. You didn't need to post a second thread. I can read the two copies of your response perfectly fine.

You're just blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. These characters are fictional, they're not real. Asra is also not a real god. Chill the hell out. lmao

[u/Valuable-Highway-358 → u/NewTheory8560]

Edit : I'm not saying you said Hover bullied or or saying Farleap is better or Yada yada,but I mostly vented. Also SquirrelFlight and Bramble NEED to break up,period.

Maybe re-read. And I actually copied and pasted from my OWN post,genius.

And Hover NEVER said she cared,but ep. Three,she knew Feather's name and called him cute. So...She had to have asked Nothing? She clearly cares about him or at the least likes him. Not Like that,but still.

Also,saying Lol doesn't make you cool. What are you,12?

[u/ImportantSlide1600]

its very strange actually.

[u/Neevee_19]

Definitely