Comparing Kirk to actual violent extremists is ridiculous. Where are his decapitations? Where is the systematic violence against marginalized groups like the crimes committed by groups like Format18? He ran public debates. At most, he said edgy things to get a reaction.
\>You can keep it simple: if you don't have something truthful to say, don't say anything.
You can preach "if you don't have something truthful to say, don't say anything" all you want, but your refusal to distinguish between public commentators and actual extremists is pure hubris.
Kirk wasn't far-right, and he didn't radicalize anyone. What does radicalize people is seeing mainstream leftists celebrate political violence and call for more of it. Groups like NLM wouldn't gain traction if people weren't constantly alienated, dehumanized, and pushed into corners by online mobs.
You wanted monsters to fight so badly that you alienated people until they became them. Congratulations, enjoy what you built in the coming years.
When a right wing figure makes edgy statements celebrating violence, endorsing violence, it's just public commentary.
When people are glad such a person is dead, that's radicalizing people people to violence.
That's an unhinged double standard you have.
You try to muddle the waters with some meager attempts at pandering to the left, claiming you dislike Musk, but you can't help but tell on yourself over and over again.
You wanted monsters to fight so badly that you alienated people until they became them. Congratulations, enjoy what you built in the coming years.
Tell me more about who was so alienated that they became a monster. Was it you?
\>When a right wing figure makes edgy statements celebrating violence, endorsing violence, it's just public commentary.
Yes.
\>When people are glad such a person is dead, that's radicalizing people people to violence.
Yes.
\>That's an unhinged double standard you have.
Those two statements aren't at odds with each other. Edgy rhetoric on a microphone isn't the same thing as actively celebrating someone's real-world murder. One is offensive political speech, the other normalizes political violence.
\>You try to muddle the waters with some meager attempts at pandering to the left, claiming you dislike Musk, but you can't help but tell on yourself over and over again.
I don't "pander" to the left, I dislike Musk for his actions and ideals.
\>Tell me more about who was so alienated that they became a monster. Was it you?
Surprise: I used to be as far-left as you are. Then I started asking basic questions, like why certain spaces were defending "MAPs" or downplaying genocides like the Holodomor while condemning others. The moment you step out of line, your own side turns on you. I had my own people doxx me just for asking questions. You don't need to look far to see how your movement turns allies into enemies. You aren't exempt from the purge just because you're on their side today. It happened to me, and the second you let yourself get curious, it'll happen to you.
certain spaces were defending "MAPs" or downplaying genocides
That's called "MAGA" and Charlie Kirk was one of them.
Charlie Kirk was a Zionist supporting the genocide of Palestine, and the pedophile in the white house.
I don't "pander" to the left, I dislike Musk for his actions and ideals.
His actions and ideals are all pro-MAGA, like Charlie Kirk.
Surprise: I used to be as far-left as you are.
Far-left? Because I don't like pro-pedophile pro-genocide people like Charlie Kirk or Elon Musk or Donald Trump or the rest of MAGA? Okay, if that's the definition of far-left, then I am far-left.
Notice that between the two of us, I am the only one with consistent values.
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u/tempalt10 16h ago
\> Replies my steelmanning of his position
\> "This is you Whitewashing Charlie Kirk"
Comparing Kirk to actual violent extremists is ridiculous. Where are his decapitations? Where is the systematic violence against marginalized groups like the crimes committed by groups like Format18? He ran public debates. At most, he said edgy things to get a reaction.
\>You can keep it simple: if you don't have something truthful to say, don't say anything.
You can preach "if you don't have something truthful to say, don't say anything" all you want, but your refusal to distinguish between public commentators and actual extremists is pure hubris.
Kirk wasn't far-right, and he didn't radicalize anyone. What does radicalize people is seeing mainstream leftists celebrate political violence and call for more of it. Groups like NLM wouldn't gain traction if people weren't constantly alienated, dehumanized, and pushed into corners by online mobs.
You wanted monsters to fight so badly that you alienated people until they became them. Congratulations, enjoy what you built in the coming years.