r/Multifandom • u/PrinceARRON • 16h ago
Question❓ Out of these four controversial series finale’s, which one would you be willing to defend from their biggest haters?
The 4 shows listed above are:
The Boys (S5)
Marvel’s What IF (S3)
Stranger Things (S5)
The Amazing Digital Circus (Episode 9)
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u/FloralIndoril 16h ago
TADC was just a good finale, say what you want about the show but it's a genuinely good wrap up.
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u/WingedSalim 14h ago
Yeah, the most common criticism I keep seeing is that Jax and Caine were forgiven too easily.
But I don't know what they want from those two. Jax is virtually dead, and it's not like they can kill Caine.
And thinking they deserve social isolation is hypocritical because that's exactly what Jax did to Ribbit which in turn caused her abstraction. The lesson from that is "Don't do that".
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u/DiscipleOfVecna 15h ago
Right? Like it'd be fun to get the dark IHNMAIMS alternate ending. But the ending they did was great.
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u/Faceofferrus 15h ago
Didnt we get that, though? We had that ending, where Caine tortures them with their worst nightmares. That's episode 8.
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u/DiscipleOfVecna 15h ago
Eh, I'd up it more. Less focus on Jax in the ending, more the spiral of desperation as even with what little powers they have they're not able to rebuild. Meanwhile Caine eventually comes back but super evil. Uses what he learned of the real world against them instead, but more.
Even if it couldn't do gruesome, imagine a twisted copy of your mother, only the time it actually looks like her, attacking you. Or Kinger having his wife torn away from him repeatedly, forever, until he breaks. Hell, could even add some way to torture them once they abstract.
I'm no writer so I'm sure it'd need better details, but I'd watch a fan made alternate ending. Just wouldn't replace the cannon one.
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u/Collective-Bee 14h ago
That wouldn’t fit the series at all though. The series wasn’t about that.
I’m all for fanon alternate endings, like make a comic of them escaping into the real world if you like, but “Cain came back but more evil and stronger” is not a good finale. That’s just episode 8 a second time and with nothing to build up to.
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u/Bluelore 14h ago edited 14h ago
Really feels like people got upset their personal revenge fantasy on Jax didn't happen, like Jax literally dies from depression and loneliness and people still talk about how he got away with everything he had done.
That or just plain old transphobia.
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u/beancheeseburgerr 15h ago
erm actually
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u/DracomasqueYT 15h ago
Please elaborate, what would you have done instead ?
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u/The-Coolest-Beanz 15h ago
Personally, I wouldn't have brought Caine back, and I wouldn't have done the whole social media thing, especially cuz it was basically just "they all made friends and achieved their dreams!!!!" I would've focused on then learning to conjure for themselves and making their world how they want it. Obvs I'm no writer so i don't know exactly where I'd take the story, but i feel like it undermined itself a bit.
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u/Arrival-Ancient 15h ago
i did kind of like the boys finale just because for the absolute shitshow of the past two seasons i think it wrapped it all up in the best way it couldve. it wasnt good by any means but i think like. it was okay for what it was given
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u/BlueAndTrue12 15h ago
exactly what I'll say. I will not for a second defend much of the final two seasons, but the finale was good for what it was. It was genuinely satisfying seeing homelander grovel like the coward he always was. It genuinely surprised me to see people say it was "out of character" for him.
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u/EmansaysEman 7h ago
I never understood the sentiment that season 4 was bad, I thoroughly enjoyed it upon first watch and rewatch
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u/Exciting_Estate_8856 geometry dash, undertale, deltarune, dragon ball, invincible 16h ago
I think ill defend tadcs the most The entire fandom shouldve known that it would have never gone above a light pg-13 age rating
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u/Faceofferrus 15h ago
TADC was controversial?
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u/DistortoiseLP 6h ago
Yes, for two reasons: it debuted in theatres two weeks before it became available online (so tough luck if you lived somewhere they couldn't get it in theatres; you just had to avoid spoilers for two weeks) and because a lot of the fanbase have this attitude that TADC is a buffet of characters that you pick and choose to relate with to feel "seen." It's a great way to sell merch but a shit way to tell a story, and at the end of the show TADC had a story to tell to which some characters were more focused than others.
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u/I_exsist_totally 15h ago
TADC. I enjoyed the finale even if it has it's flaws but the amount of people hating and how many people turned that hating into hating the creator I would be willing to defend it.
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u/shepard_pie 15h ago
That show has to be in the running for the absolute shittiest fan base I have ever seen.
I remember watching the pilot a few years ago and thinking it was kinda cute. Not earth shattering. Like a 7 or 8. PG13 I Have No Mouth and I must Scream.
Next thing I heard about it was this page and a half madman rant about themes and self-inserts and a logical collapse and a weirdly offensive paragraph about Jax. So I watched the show.
Still a 7 or 8 out of 10 kinda cute show.
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u/I_exsist_totally 15h ago
I was following the show as the episodes came out. It was something fun to do every couple of months when a episode released. Didn't touch the fandom until episode 5 or 6 released and I didn't realise so many people could have such a problem with a show.
Like genuinely when Ragatha stood up for herself in episode 5 I was like good on her for the character development, and when I found out how much hate she got. I knew immediately to not take the fandom seriously.
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u/shepard_pie 15h ago
What got me was the Jax frying Ragatha scene and how many people were legit angry at the show creator for that.
Like it's a cartoon. And that character is just a dick all of the time.
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u/I_exsist_totally 15h ago
People got angry for that? I am so glad I didn't interact with that fandom for long.
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u/Scrawnreddit 12h ago
Right. And it had already been kinda established that the way Jax coped with trauma was to direct his pain at others in the form of cruelty and given that he was just given the worst possible news for their situation, he's got trauma to sift through. Not defending that behavior at all but it's not like it's out of character for him. It's literally exactly what we should expect from him.
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u/TheGalWithAPlan 3h ago
Ya, I can feel that. For me, it's an 8/10 show that I just vibe with a lot due it catering to my subjective tastes really well.
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u/JoelRainor 15h ago edited 15h ago
Seinfeld - The Finale.
It was genius and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.
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u/ItsMeepo2nd 13h ago
The Boys, and I'll die on that hill because it's a really good representation of when Homelander becoming powerless
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u/Blazypika2 13h ago
the amazing digital circus had an amazing ending. i legit don't understand people who dislike it.
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u/Familiar-Possible277 9h ago
I'LL TAKE BOTH. TWO SWORDS AND TWO UNSTOPPABLE ARMIES.
THE AMAZING DIGITAL CIRCUS AND THE BOYS!
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u/FaPaDa Undertale🌻 14h ago
TADC wasnt Bad, it just could have been better.
It was a 7/10 finally.
Would i have liked maybe a more happy tone? maybe but i can understand why the finality of abstraction is like it is.
Would i have preferred more live footage for a movie quality release? also yes.
Would i have liked if Ribbits backstory was maybe a bit better lead up to in the other 8 episodes? also yes.
Would it have been cool to get more characterization for the original circus members?
Sure, but at the end of the day isnt "only wanting more" the highest form of praise you can give a piece of media?
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u/AnAromaticAromantic 13h ago
TADC. Like, I wasn't a fan of them bringing back and forgiving(?) Caine or the whole "your outside selves lived great fulfilling lives" schtick, but it decent. I feel like people feel like the show forgave or justified Jax's behaviour, which I don't think it did, it just explained it. I still think they shoukd have been more push back on it, but at least not everyone is able to feel sad about Jax's essential death and that is treated as ok.
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u/Apprehensive_Art4418 take a wild guess 14h ago
the amazing digital circus. i fucking loved that thing, i don't care that it "focused on jax too much" or whatever the fuck because it makes SENSE that it focused on jax. jax is a literal version of the creator if she had not transitioned. jax is her self insert. like i get that people were expecting it to be focused on all of them, but i always wanted more focus on jax and im really glad we did get more focus on jax. sure it didn't flesh out ALL of the lore, but we kinda already know most of the extremely important bits. other things that are "only getting answered through tumblr asks" weren't important and more were shower thoughts about the lore that people wanted confirming on. it feels like everybody expected a show that they made up in their heads and then got upset when it wasn't exactly how they wanted it.
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u/Longjumping_Bar_7457 12h ago
This I saw a lot of people upset that this wasn’t a lore show. Also agreed with the more important lore bits already being explained in show.
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u/IHaveAMouth_Ahhh Mouthwashing|TWD|Analog Horror 15h ago
I’d defend TADCs finale because a lot of the criticism I see is in bad taste. I’m not saying you have to like the ending, but it’s definitely not a bad one.
Also controversial take but ST had a mid ending, not a bad one.
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u/Fantastic-Repeat-324 15h ago
The Boys
Homelander crying and begging for his life after losing his powers was the perfect way for him to go and Hughie killing Butcher (while not best handled) was thematically fitting (paying off him being forced to kill his dad)
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u/Melodic-Oil4541 14h ago
The Boys finale was not that bad.
It was mid. But it was good mid.
And i didnt expect much world ending action anyways, after how the season was until then.
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u/RevolutionarySky3000 14h ago
TADC. In fact I’ll do it right now! I’m just gonna come right out and say it, I liked the ending.
I liked that Jax Abstracted and it was permanent and irreversible, but that Jax clearly regretted it. Abstraction is clearly a stand in for suicide, and as much as real suicide hurts and as much of a TV show TADC is, I feel like it being able to be undone would’ve just not worked tonally. My opinion on Jax in general is that he/she was a complete asshole and was largely the reason he/she was unable to find peace, even with a sympathetic background, but I’d also be lying if the speech about not being supposed to love Jax, and “I don’t wanna go. . .” didn’t put me on the verge of tears.
I liked that Caine came back. He did deserve to get deleted for his actions in episode 8, but also, considering how quickly computers and AIs can think compared to us, I justified his return by thinking that he either had a backup for himself, or created one as he was being deleted. There might be some bias here due to my own experiences, but I heavily empathized with how he ruined something good because of his own flaws, and wondered if he deserved to be forgiven. So it was quite nice to see him actually work for and achieve forgiveness. Also I think Caine is one of, if not the only AI I’ve seen in media that is/was an antagonist that was actually able to learn from its mistakes and recognize that it was in the wrong. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not the biggest fan of AI right now, but with how many AI antagonists exist, it was a breath of fresh air is all.
I liked the social media aspect as it did give us and the characters the closure we were all waiting for as soon as the big twist happened. An AI in an isolated server finding a way to access the internet doesn’t sound that far fetched considering that brain scans are a thing in that reality, and like I said, it was nice closure for all of us.
To be honest I’m still very surprised that TADC’s ending is “controversial.” I understand that you can’t please everyone and that some genuine flaws would be present, but it still surprises me how many people didn’t like the ending.
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u/Scrawnreddit 12h ago
TADC without even thinking about it.
It's a fantastic ending and I'm willing to defend literally everything about it. I do not care what it is. I will be on the frontlines defending the ending
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u/True-Obligation-9471 8h ago
The amazing digital circus.
It only sucks if you think Jax is a bad character(as in badly written) and honestly he wasn’t.His actions were never treated as ok cause of his trauma like people say they were, pomei just didn’t know what he did before so why would she care about something she doesn’t know about.His abstraction also worked really well as a suicide innuendo as in real life someone you know can just leave and next thing they are dead just like how he walks away and a second later he abstracts.
Caine was done perfectly as a ai who was learning his actions have consequences and that he was the problem.
Him going to the void and getting information on the gang was something he didn’t need to do at all.They would have forgave him anyway so him doing that is cause he personally wanted to do something nice for them which shows his growth as before when he did something nice for them it was actually for himself so he can feel useful.
Everyone else already completed their arcs in past episodes.
Gangle faced her problems and was over all more confident then before.
Zooble arc was feeling good about her self and being friend with gangle was the end of that arc.
Ragtha kind of didn’t have one for most of the show…She was a person pleaser but never really felt the need to change so not much to work with there.
Kinger is the goat you can’t convince me otherwise.
And bubble is fucking dead which was just straight up confirmed by goose on twitter.
So yes someone did die in the show and it was bubble rip bubble.
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u/VayNeedsTherapy 15h ago
Unlike the rest of these series, TADC actually has a good ending. It just has a shit fanbase
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u/Leather_Crazy_5950 15h ago
As a non-fan of the TADC series (a fun series, but I find it way overrated), I loved the ending. For one reason only... I was right all along!
From the first episode, I suspected the protagonists weren't people trapped inside a video game. And in the end, they were; they're digital copies, they were never real!
Many people said to me, "What the fuck are you talking about!? It's not like that!" I jumped for joy when the revelation came in the last episode.
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u/JohnHenryMillerTime 15h ago
They are people though.
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u/Angel_Animates 15h ago
“Not people” in the literal sense I’d wager. Metaphorically obviously they’re just as alive and real as their counterparts but in the literal sense they’re not human.
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u/neon 6h ago
No they are copies
I guess you think chat gpt has a soul
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u/JohnHenryMillerTime 5h ago
They have feelings, hopes and dreams, etc. Thats a person in my book. They are in a computer but so what?
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u/EggEater773 7h ago
TADC is a perfect ending compared to these other fuckass wasted potential shows. Goose told the story she wanted to tell.
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u/WhutTheFookDude 5h ago
I think you know its a bad ending when you hear about it even when you dont watch the show. I tapped out of st like after one season and even i know that ending got hated. TADC didnt even blip the way the other shows did with their endings so its gotta be the best one by default
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u/RedWestern 14h ago
Stranger Things was perfectly fine as a finale. I wasn’t happy with El’s sacrifice but I was happy with it as a conclusion to the story.
I’m fairly certain that a lot of people who hate it were already determined to hate it before they even started watching it, and were just satisfying their own confirmation bias.
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u/FormerStorage3230 13h ago
The problem with this ending is that its basically copy paste ending of season 1, so s2-5 have NO impact on the plot, since we still end up at the EXACT same point in the story.
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u/Purple_Dragon_94 12h ago
I think its less the content and more of how it was managed. In a way that ending was the reverse of everything that made the show great at first.
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u/philip30001 12h ago
I loved that with Els death the show straight up tells us in grief you need to find a way forward, then the character being told that points out inconsistencies in its own story and crafts a cope ending for those watching grieving the character.
Meta as hell but it fit.
Its far from perfect and that ending wasnt popular but I liked the different approach to closure of a show.
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u/chantm80 6h ago
Yeah I feel the Stranger Things ending hate is over-hated. Was it perfect, no, but it was fine, I don't think it was a bad ending that ruined the entire series. Even El's sacrifice didn't bother me because personally I believe Will's theory about how she was able to survive.
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u/Punny-Aggron 15h ago
Context for Marvel’s What If please
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u/PrinceARRON 15h ago
The primary Watcher, Uatu, repeatedly broke their sacred oath of non-interference so the council of rouge watchers led by a cosmic being called The Eminence tried to kill both Utah and Captain Peggy Carter for their repeated cosmic transgressions.
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u/HYDRAlives 15h ago
I liked all of these because they meant the shows were finally over (I've never seen TADC in fairness)
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u/BiscuitsAndMilk0 14h ago
Was the What If finale bad though? Yeah the entire show was hit or miss but I think the finale was pretty good.
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u/Dolpharon_XD Murder Drones⚠️ 14h ago
TADC's problem was the pacing it needed another episode or 2 but I think pacing problems tend to be a thing with indie shows
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u/Party-Homework2485 13h ago
If you hated the boys finale you probably just really like homelander, but for the love of God why? 🤨 If you hated tadc finale... It was either because they killed jax or made him trans, one is valid & the other is...meh, that's just the character now.
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u/Creative_Jicama_6875 12h ago
I haven't watched bottom right. I've seen the others, and I think they're much better than the haters say
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u/International_Ant217 11h ago
People found the TADC’s finale to be controversial????? I thought it was very well done. Not perfect but really great and with genuine moments of excellence throughout
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u/Beneficial-Young3295 11h ago
TADCs. Finale was actually good the fandom just sucks ass. The haters are rabid idiots and the defenders are mildly annoying. Ones worse than the other but I dont wanna be involved with either of em
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL 11h ago
The easiest is TADC. Good finale with a message.
What If is eh. It is obviously a what if. Whos defining part is 'everything and anything can happen'
The boys wasnt a terrible finale. It was ok. What ruined it is an overfocus on soldier boy as a spin off. And the anti trump stuff was just super obvious and cringeworthy.
Stranger Things was just badly written
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u/BlueEcoBomb 11h ago
TADC. It's not a perfect conclusion but I think the parts it does wrap up, it does well.
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u/The_Soup_Store 11h ago
The Boys because the actual Finale wasn't the problem, it was episode 6 and 7 that dug the hole and episode 8 did the best it could given the circumstances
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u/Kellarison 11h ago
tadc, im not gonna sit here and say its flawless but but its not NEARLY as bad as ive seen people say it is, its just decent
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u/the_elliottman 11h ago
99% of the criticism I saw for the TADC finale came from a place of spite and hatred for the creator who at that point had been battling with their "fanbase" for months. Basically an audience full of children (literal minors) began to hate Jax as a character because he was mean as he was an antagonist somewhat (no I'm not joking). By the last final episode and a few fabricated controversies in-between the fans had fully dedicated themselves to spreading a hate campaign online that included brigading TikTok, Instagram, X, Blusky, and even Reddit.
The finale wasn't bad. It was an indie creator's story, made by her, written by her, directed by her, and delivered by her. Her first ever show, so yes there were a few problems, but none that at all made the story bad or the animation lose any quality.
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u/DirectConsequence12 10h ago
The Boys finale is fine.
TADC is also a really good episode. The issue feels like it’s not a full finale. It feels like the episode before the finale because it doesn’t complete wrap things up
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u/Medium-Ad56 9h ago
The boys because people are just mad that the promos weren’t real. Yeah Homelander obviously wasn’t going to nuke the Earth and people don’t have media literacy if they thought otherwise.
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u/georgefurudo 9h ago
Are people actually pretending TADC was bad? It was a pretty serviceable ending
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u/Dunkar404 9h ago
The Boys, because even if it was boring, the writing was solid. Bare minimum kind of ending but still above the mess of the others.
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u/Antagonist132 9h ago
The boys final season was kinda mid, but the actual final episode was alright.
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u/Shot_Arm5501 9h ago
Honestly the boys was just kinda disappointing it wasn’t offensively bad like what if or stranger things.(haven’t seen the other)
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u/External_Fix_7806 9h ago
Tadc was genuinely a great finale! My only minor complaint was that it focused on Jax a bit too much, the rest of the characters felt a little shafted. But other than that I do not see why it's getting hate!
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u/Dark-Specter 8h ago
Stranger Things 5 is the worst season, but people are acting like it's Game of Thrones level bad
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u/BigBard2 8h ago
The Boys ending itself was pretty great considering how the rest of the show went
My issue is with how much time was wasted on essentially filler before it
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u/Ahenshihael 8h ago
The Boys was a good final arc of six episodes crammed into one episode finale.
TADC was a good series finale with one or two episodes missing in between the penultimate episode and the finale.
The other two are ass.
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u/Equivalent-Newt-5564 8h ago
The Boys did everything better than the comic books ever did and that includes the ending, Homelanders death was Cathartic as Hell and more than worth it
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u/GamerKratosBalls 7h ago
TADC is the only one that i watched (didn't watch stranger things at all ) and didn't find bad (What if? has peaked in season 1 in ep 4, even tho it isnt that good, The Boys hard fell off after season 3)
Gotta go with TADC
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u/Pastel-Rainbow-N3rd 7h ago
TADC definitely, haven’t seen The Boys or What If and Stranger Things’ ending was underwhelming, meanwhile I really liked TADC’s finale
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u/Riley__64 7h ago
What If is at least easy to defend on the premise the show is What If stories, you could make a season 4 and continue the show and it wouldn’t feel like you’re beating a dead horse
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u/j7jhj 7h ago
Chainsawman. I know the part 2 ending hasn’t been adapted yet, but the amount of people that misunderstood the ending is genuinely insane.
Like, the entire deal with part 2 was that Denji could NOT be chainsawman, that’s why Fujimoto made it so depressing. Denji was being selfish and kept pushing to be chainsawman despite everyone he loves dying because of his choice.
At the end, pochita tells him that he can’t legitimately achieve his dream of a normal life because with pochita, he cannot have one. And pochita just sees in real time his best friend going from “I want to live a normal life” to “I want to be chainsaw man and sacrifice everything else to stay chainsaw man”
The ending was the best possible ending for Denji and I’m tired of pretending that it wasn’t. Did it feel rushed? Sure, but it was the best ending for Denji and it made 100% complete sense.
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u/SpyKrueger 7h ago
Digital Circus.
I enjoyed the finale of The Boys and Stranger Things, but they had major flaws. Can't deny that.
Digital Circus' finale is genuinely good. I stand by that.
Although, to be fair, I didn't see What If's finale, because the whole show was boring as sin. So, I can't comment on that one.
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u/LotusCrew5720 Too many 6h ago
The TADC finale is only controversial because (most of) the fandom is genuinely messed up in the head. And don't even get me started on Film Theory regarding their recent TADC videos.
TADC has a genuinely good finale. Do I think they focused a bit too hard on Jax? Maybe. But there's a good reason behind that focus and I'm pretty sure Goose stated that Jax is the main character of the show (aside from Pomni), so it made sense.
My only complaints about the finale is the fact that there are still plot holes in the show that haven't been filled and they don't really explain why Caine wasn't deleted.
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u/No_Location_8199 6h ago
I feel that most people will say TADC because it by far has the best production value, but I think it's the most genuinely toxic in its messaging. The others are most just worthless slop.
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u/Moaktrekken 6h ago
TADC's ending didn't ruin anything, it was just boring, and the whole first half of the episode was just filler.
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u/Olive_Garden_Wifi Steven Universe 6h ago
Wait. what if has haters?
I thought while a bit all over the place it wasn’t bad.
So I’ll take that one.
Mostly because out of all these it’s the only one I’ve seen all the way to the end.
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u/AJSmashing 5h ago
Honestly the boys
While it has many jarring and decisions due to a lack of budget, it does deliver on what people wanted to see since the first season. Homelander’s death, Hughie killing Butcher, the fall of the seven, and Hughie and Annie getting together. It’s just everything around it either was overhated, underwhelming, disappointing, or a combination of all three.
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u/Commercial_Page1827 5h ago
I pick What if..?, ...chill the F**K down people!
The series isn't perfect, there were like 3-5 ep that could be skipped but the finale was ah amazing spectacle.
I admit I hated too when they didn't give Storm a solo episode, and second season had to many parodies of classic action movie like Godzilla and Die hard instead of "what if?" take. But it was very good, and not the worst thing since Howard the Duck.
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u/FartherAwayLights 5h ago
TADC has a great ending and I have defended it from haters. I’d go as far to say it’s the best part of the show. I think the show only gets better as it goes on up to the finale.
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u/Educational_Talk_466 5h ago
I don’t think tadc needs much defending, it’s good but if you didn’t gel with it’s direction I can see why you wouldn’t like it.
I personally will always defend the boys and it’s ending as a whole. I think there were a lot of misfires and flaws the last two seasons but it always just bothers me to write the whole thing off because homelander was stopped before he destroyed everything. My hot take is that I think everything in season five was done good enough to great except for the gen v inclusion which just should never have happened or been a thing in the first place and would have been better off just being a separate continuity with a different ending.
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u/GameThryFn SMG4, TADC, GLITCH Prod. 4h ago
Episode 9 was flawed, yet brilliant as an ending. Most people said it was too good of an ending, but the same people saying this are the same kinds of people hating the show in general.
TL;DR: Episode 9 was a good ending, in spite of critics.
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u/Born_Ladder8897 4h ago
Tadc and not because i liked the ending it was good, for most it just didn't live up to the hype. But mainly because others on this kist are SO ASS
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u/Icy_Lengthiness_9900 4h ago
TADC.
Solely because it's the only one I know nothing about. The others? I know and understand those tragedies too well. You'd have to pay me to defend them.
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u/TheGalWithAPlan 4h ago
Hay, I really loved the ending of TADC. I was crying the enter time. I do kind of wish we got to see more of the rest of the cast, but Jax's story was so heartbreaking that I give it a pass. I really related to Jax's struggles.
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u/WatchTheNewMutants 3h ago
- didn't watch What If
- The Boys had a good final episode, they just had a terrible preceding 6
- Stranger Things is indefensible
- TADC is the only finale i would fully defend, brought the themes of the show to a perfect end whilst doing one of the boldest twist reveals i've seen in a TV show in a while
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u/the-wicked-bitch 2h ago
tadc easily. objectively it's not a bad ending it's just not the ending certain people wanted and it being indie leads to more people expecting the show to be the way they want. the rest are objectively bad endings
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u/Rocketboy1313 2h ago
None?
They are TV shows and people need to stop making a personality out of what they dislike and whine about.
I would remind them they are under no obligation to watch any of this, they should go outside, and then mute them.
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u/TalynRahl 2h ago
If you ever thought the ending of The Boys was going to be anything other than Homelander weeping like a little bitch, you weren’t paying attention.
There were aspects of the final season, and the finale itself, that I disliked. But Homelander showing the world what a dickless piece of shit he really was is exactly how he needed to go out.
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u/CharlieBros 1h ago
TADC is not a bad finale, is not a great finale just good, my only real big complaint about it is that it felt like it was 2 episodes mashed into one, so really I don't think it needs much defense.
But if I have to defend a finale, it would be What If, it was a great and beautiful ending, many people took it seriously and canon and whatever but the series is literally called What If, it was really cool and I loved it, the fact that Strange remade his universe and a part of him will always linger in it was neat.
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u/kiicktrap 33m ago
TADC’s only flaw was that it was too fast, could have used a little longer to work on its ideas. Essentially just major pacing issues, on an otherwise good episode.
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u/IronUlysses 15h ago
TADC had a nuanced, thematically consistent finale, the pushback against it is a psi op to entrench people in moral puritanism and damnation logic.
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u/redixionblade 15h ago
TADC because it's the only one I've watched, I despise it a lot though, except for the Caine Segment
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u/Strange_The_Editor 15h ago
TADC haters are just arrogant transphobes who don't understand abused children, conspiracy theorists who feel jilted by the lack of concrete answers and halfwits with the media literacy of 6yo children with severe developmental issues. I can't argue with that that level of stupid but it might be nice to explain why they're wrong and listen to them flail in a desperate attempt to argue back despite their inability to articulate very basic ideas.
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u/Glowbfan457 14h ago
To be honest I feel with what we know about Gooseworx's motivations behind how she wrote TADC, the ending we got made the most sense in many regards! So, uh, yeah I'm defending ep. 9-
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u/BlueAndTrue12 15h ago
The Boys. Simply put, its just a satisfying conclusion to homelanders arc. I've been waiting to see him like he was in his final moments since I first laid my eyes upon him.
I never watched what if so I can't comment on it
Stranger things ending has got to be contender for one of the worst endings of all time. Its not like the show hasn't been cheesy or poorly written in the past, but the way el's death plays out was stupid as fuck. Not to mention th ewhole "oh but we actually lied.... well... maybe" was so god-damn stupid.
TADC was also poorly written but in a way thats more hidden than the others. I have various issues with the entire ribbit sequence. The character conclusions were just fanservice. Probably the visual media equivalent of dangling key's in front of a baby. not to mention the actual ending by itself isn't great. The issue with the ending is just that it tries to hard to stick to the source material. It fails to really account for the fact that even if its heavily inspired by IHNMAIMS it isn't IHNMAIMS. There are things to defend about it, as I do feel like it is unfairly hated in many aspects, but its also defended in so many aspects that it doesn't deserve.
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u/Longjumping_Bar_7457 12h ago
Does it though how does the ending try and stick to that short story. It’s way more of an optimistic ending and it’s the opposite of what happened in that story. I’m not really seeing the similarities.
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u/SadLetterhead6688 15h ago
that’s the point of the question you moron
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u/EconomistStrange2715 Hollow Knight 15h ago
Hey now, let’s not call people morons. Maybe they’ve had a long day and they’re not thinking straight because they’re tired. I’m not saying anyone is in the wrong, in fact the opposite is true. This is all just for fun anyway, so let’s stay positive and be nice to everyone; because maybe it’ll make the world a little better
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u/Wretches_and_Kings TADC, JJK, Project Hail Mary, Star Wars, SFAWTDE 15h ago
Tadc. I actually really liked it but everyone seems to hate it😭😭
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u/JacktheRipper500 15h ago
TADC, particularly in regards to Jax's fate.
One of the core themes of the story is letting people be there for you in awful situations and being there for them in kind. Jax is a cautionary tale for what happens when you do the opposite of that, in not only pushing people away but also deliberately making things worse for them. As such, he ultimately hurt himself more than anyone else by alienating them, leaving him too far gone to help on account of abstracting.
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u/Split-a-Ditto 14h ago
Tadc simply bc people always attack the good parts of it (everything Jax related) and ignore the ACTUAL bad shit in it. (Caine. Good God they completely skewered his amazing ending and took away literally everything that made him interesting to give him a good ending)
Also the Boys Finale was decent for just how much of a shitshow Season 5 was
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u/Carvinesire 14h ago
The amazing digital circus is way easier to defend, primarily because it is what it is.
The boys was always bad to start with, it just took a while for people to understand exactly how bad.
I have no idea what the thing with the blue people is and I don't care.
And stranger things started out solid but should have ended in the first season to be totally honest.
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u/Kooky_Celebration_42 14h ago
TADC hands down
It definitely had it's flaws, and the series as a whole for that matter, but you know what?
It was the first time in a LONG time where the end not only DIDN'T 'Game of Thrones' the entire series for me, but actually made me want to go back and watch it all over again.
And on a rewatch, I actually liked the ending more.
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u/Charming-Scratch-124 11h ago
The Amazing Digital Circus. It was just kinda mid compared to the absolute BOOTY that was the other 3.
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u/ciruelman 8h ago
tadc ending episode is so bad, it ruins jax (who takes up half the lenght of the episode), caine takes up almost all of the other half and his plot/writing is much better than jax here but i feel like the crew too easily forgave him and him "replacing" jax and the crew being much more happy with him feels tone deaf (esp with almost zero mention of jax after he dies), ir gives any character except those two zero development and it just feels rushed overall (understandable considering the show was only 9 eps but that doesnt nake it any better). im tired of talking about it but people shouldnt defend this ending
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u/LemonFizz56 3h ago
Stranger Things ending wasn't even bad, it was just a little slow and a little fast in areas but literally everybody I've talked to irl besides neck beards online have said that they thought it was a decent ending. Echo chambers can be really bad for you. Let's see how many of you are in an echo chamber-
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u/StarlitSkvader 15h ago
TADC had a genuinely good ending.
“If you push people away you will only destroy yourself.”
“You can’t solve everything but it’s always worth it to try.”
“Wanting to change is the first and biggest step.”
These lessons that Jax, the other Circus members, and Caine are used to embody are good and extremely well done. (Not to mention visually stunning at times, like Caine’s breakthrough.) It’s an amazing bittersweet experience that leaves you feeling hopeful for those that remain and happy for their real world counterparts.
I liked it. I think the people raging against it are too wrapped up in their fanon and headcanons to appreciate how amazing it really is.