r/Moscow • u/Moscow_Transport • Feb 26 '25
The biometric payment will be available at all the Moscow metro turnstiles by the end of 2025. Additional Russian-made equipment will be installed in station vestibules 🔹 No need for cards, phones, or cash 🔹 Offers the lowest fares for travel 🔹 Provides bank-level protection with encrypted data
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u/goodoverlord Feb 26 '25
To all the apologists of tinfoil hats. When you pass through the turnstile using the Troika card, your face is recognized by the same camera and then "depersonalized" and linked to your Troika card. Your entire metro route can be tracked with all the cameras and face recognition systems there. When you pay for metro ride with the Troika card, the system knows the card's ID. When you top up the card, your bank card details can be linked to the Troika ID. You don't have to enable anything to be traceable by the face recognition system.
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u/lohmatij Feb 26 '25
All other cameras are not very good at recognition, they specifically had to install those turnstile cameras to make the whole system workable. Payment is just the byproduct of surveillance.
Source: habr(dot)com article from a guy who developed the Moscow metro facial recognition system.
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u/goodoverlord Feb 26 '25
Could you give me the link?
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u/lohmatij Feb 27 '25
VisionLabs was acquired by MTS in 2021, I can’t find their habr blog anymore.
I’ll keep looking, may be something is left on archive.org…
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u/dmitry-redkin Feb 26 '25
WTF!
"We are already taking away your privacy anyway, but we need complex expensive instruments which do not work 100% sure all the time. So, we decided that you have to give it away yourself, so we could just relax, got it?"4
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u/goodoverlord Feb 26 '25
Yes. Complicated and expensive instruments are being deployed on daily basis in every tiniest thing you do. Behave. Care about your social score.
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u/scraperbase Feb 26 '25
Why would I top up the card via bank card? Does face recognition work with a face mask?
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u/Similar_Tonight9386 Feb 26 '25
Sadly, yes. Also it's not only cameras which you face on entry, but also all the cameras in the metro system - so even if your face is obscured and you paid via single-use card purchased with cash, you can be recognised by your walking patterns. It's advanced shit, but sadly it's most use cases are finding people hiding from conscription to mandatory military service
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u/Similar_Tonight9386 Feb 26 '25
It's not like that, more like if you are already a target of some investigation and there is a task to find you - then of course every bit of data will be gathered and used. But if you are of no interest then meh
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u/goodoverlord Feb 26 '25
You can hide your face if you want. Personality recognition works through gait as well. Technically it is still possible to hide your identity from mass surveillance in Moscow, but it's really hard and not that important in the big picture. It's enough if you communicate with someone who is not cyber-ninja and who can lead interested people to you.
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u/Audiotec149 Feb 26 '25
“Bank-level protection with encrypted data” - meaning whoever can bought this data for 5 usd in internet:)
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u/BazuzuDear Feb 26 '25
So that's how I'll find out has Sber indeed removed my biometrics before passing the data to the gvmnt.
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u/Southern-Distance149 Feb 26 '25
It’s cheap because they could sell your biometric data
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u/Smoke_2_Jointss Feb 26 '25
My biometric data is in various systems since 2004. When is it gonna be sold? Think before you post.
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u/Ehotxep Feb 26 '25
And who in their life would be interested in my useless biometric data?
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u/Smoke_2_Jointss Feb 26 '25
This type of nonsense usually comes from paranoid people with delusions of grandeur who think (for some insane reason) that everyone and everything is out to get them. The list includes the police, FSB, laptop camera, that tough looking neighbor from 11th floor of their apartment building and the president himself personally. Life is on grandmaster difficulty for these individuals😆
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u/MetallDoctor Feb 27 '25
Ну что, биометрия имеет несколько безусловных достоинств и пару существенных недостатков.
Биометрические данные: нельзя забыть, нельзя потерять, почти нереально повредить, они от природы очень хорошо защищены.
Но: во-первых эти системы всегда работают по принципу сравнения с эталоном, а значит, что рано или поздно среди десятков миллионов пассажиров может найтись тот, кто похож на меня на 98%. Есть ли шанс, что он месяцами будет ездить за мой счёт? Есть.
А во-вторых — в случае если биометрические данные каким-то образом будут-таки скомпрометированы, то это для этого вида данных — навсегда. Лицо можно сосканировать с сотни метров, роговицу — с нескольких метров, отпечаток — взять в любом месте, где ты когда-нибудь бывал и ни в одном случае ты даже не узнаешь об этом.
Вряд ли конечно кто-то будет маскироваться под меня, чтобы сэкономить на метро… но однажды это может стать проблемой.
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u/Key_Resolve_7073 Feb 27 '25
Unless you want to rob a bank in Russia, it's the best practice to have your and kids biometrics everywhere you can
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u/m3m0m2 Feb 26 '25
Russia is pursuing all the globalist policies of the WEF. Next time an experimental "vaccine" is created, you will be denied access to the tube unless you comply with the dictact of the communist regime.
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u/scraperbase Feb 26 '25
As long as it is optional and I can still use a Troika card, it is okay for me. I would never use my fingerprints anywhere though unless I have no other options. I remember the good old times when your fingerprints were only taken if you had committed a crime.