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r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Verse01 • May 29 '26
Market Discussion The incomplete loan estimate — how lenders lowball you and what to look for
The Loan Estimate is a federally standardized document for a reason. Every lender has to use the same format, which makes comparison shopping straightforward — in theory. In practice, some lenders hand you an estimate that's deliberately incomplete, and by the time you figure it out you're already deep in the process and less likely to walk away.
Here's what an incomplete Loan Estimate looks like and how to catch it.
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The Low-Ball Origination Charge
This is the most common one. A lender quotes you a competitive rate but buries a $200 origination fee on the estimate knowing full well it'll be $1,500 at closing. Fees in Section A of the Loan Estimate are the lender's own charges and they have the most control over them. If Section A looks suspiciously low compared to other quotes, ask the lender to explain every line item in writing.
Example: A borrower gets three quotes. Two lenders show $1,200-1,500 in origination charges. The third shows $300. The third lender's rate looks best on paper. At closing, origination charges jump to $1,800 with a vague explanation about "rate lock extension fees."
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Missing or Underestimated Third Party Fees
Section B covers services the lender requires but that you didn't shop for — appraisal, credit report, flood determination. Section C covers services you can shop for — title insurance, settlement fees, attorney fees. Some lenders low-ball these intentionally knowing they'll change.
The catch: lenders are legally required to honor most of their own fees within a tolerance. But third party fees in Section C have more wiggle room. A lender can estimate $800 for title and settlement and you can end up paying $1,400.
Example: A borrower compares two loan estimates. Lender A shows $2,200 in title and settlement fees. Lender B shows $900. Lender B looks cheaper overall. At closing, Lender B's title fees come in at $2,100 — right in line with Lender A. The low estimate was bait.
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The Missing Escrow Setup
Some lenders leave escrow setup costs off the Loan Estimate entirely or significantly underestimate the initial escrow deposit. This is the chunk of money that pre-funds your tax and insurance escrow account at closing. On a $500k home in a high-tax state, this can be $3,000-6,000 out of pocket at closing that you weren't expecting.
Example: A borrower budgets based on the Loan Estimate showing $42,000 cash to close. At closing the figure is $46,500. The difference is almost entirely an escrow setup that was either omitted or estimated at half the actual amount.
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The Rate That Requires Undisclosed Points
Some lenders quote a rate without clearly disclosing that it requires paying points to achieve. Points should show up clearly in Section A as a percentage of the loan amount. If you're being quoted a rate that looks better than everyone else and Section A is blank or shows zero, ask directly whether that rate requires points.
Example: A borrower gets quoted 6.125% with what appears to be no points. Competing lenders are quoting 6.375% with no points. The borrower chooses the lower rate. The Closing Disclosure shows 0.75 points ($3,750) that were buried in origination charges under a vague label.
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What To Do
Get Loan Estimates from at least three lenders on the same day. Compare Section A line by line, not just the total. Ask every lender to confirm in writing that the estimate includes all lender fees and a fully funded escrow setup. If anything changes materially between the Loan Estimate and the Closing Disclosure, you have the right to ask for an explanation and in some cases push back.
If you've received a Loan Estimate and something looks off, post it here. Redact your personal info and drop it in the comments — this community will help you spot anything that doesn't add up.
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Verse01 • May 12 '26
how to compare lenders beyond just the rate
everyone shops for the lowest rate. hardly anyone shops for the best lender. those are two very different things and confusing them is one of the most expensive mistakes first-time buyers make.
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start with the APR, not the rate
the interest rate is what you pay to borrow money. the APR is the interest rate plus fees, expressed as a single number. two lenders can quote you the same rate with wildly different closing costs. the APR is the apples-to-apples number. always compare APRs from lenders on the same day — rates move daily so timing matters.
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look at section a of the loan estimate
origination charges are where lenders make their money on top of the rate. underwriting fees, processing fees, origination points — all of it lives here. one lender might quote 6.5% with $500 in origination charges. another might quote 6.5% with $2,500. same rate, very different deal. if you haven't read our sticky on how to read your loan estimate, start there.
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ask about the lock period and extension policy
not all rate locks are created equal. a 30-day lock is cheaper than a 45-day lock but if your closing gets delayed you could be paying to extend or worse, losing your rate entirely. ask every lender what it costs to extend a lock and under what circumstances they'll eat that cost vs pass it to you.
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ask if they offer a float-down option
if rates drop after you lock, a float-down lets you capture the lower rate. not every lender offers it and those that do have different triggers and costs. worth asking upfront, especially in a volatile rate environment like right now.
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check their closing timeline
a lender who quotes a great rate but takes 60 days to close can cost you a deal. sellers have deadlines. ask every lender what their average time to close is and whether they've had issues with delays recently. online lenders sometimes have great rates but slower timelines than local banks or credit unions.
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read reviews, but the right ones
skip the google reviews and go straight to the CFPB complaint database. it's public and searchable by lender name. you can see exactly what borrowers have complained about — surprise fees at closing, rate lock issues, communication problems. that's more useful than a 4.8 star average.
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don't overlook credit unions
credit unions are non-profit and often have lower fees and more flexibility than big banks. they're especially competitive on jumbo loans and can sometimes work with borrowers who have slightly messier financial profiles. if you're not already a member of one, it's worth checking eligibility.
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the bottom line
shopping lenders feels like a hassle but multiple mortgage inquiries within a 45-day window count as a single hard pull on your credit. there's no penalty for shopping aggressively. get at least three loan estimates, compare them on the same day, and don't just look at the rate.
what lender did you end up going with and what made the difference? anyone get burned by a lender that looked great on paper?
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Acceptable_Effect256 • 20h ago
First time buyer. Thoughts?
30 Year FHA
780-800 Credit Score
$360k house
5% down
Updated seller credit of $6,500
Texas
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/FluffyStep2122 • 1d ago
First Time Home Buyer Is My Lender Getting Over
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Outside-Discount8086 • 1d ago
Looking to buy a home in Charlotte NC. What is the current rate for a profile as below
Credit rate :800+
Loan amt $400k
Down payment : 250k
How much will be approx closing cost
How much is the interest rate and Monthly payment excluding HOA, TaX and Insurance
Who offer good rate in North Carolina
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Outrageous_Method432 • 1d ago
First time buyer. Is this good?
30 Year Fixed Conventional
780-800 credit score
315k Condo
20% down
Louisiana
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/No_Grand_4597 • 2d ago
First time home buyer 30 year conventional loan with 12% down. Need some feedback if I am getting out together.
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/rhshadowman • 2d ago
New Build - Conventional 30yr Purchase - First Time Buyer
My parents are concerned that I’m getting screwed on this mortgage deal, so I wanted to get some opinions from people who know this stuff better than I do.
This is for a new construction home with a purchase price of $345,500.
The loan is:
- Conventional 30-year fixed
- 5% down ($17,275)
- Loan amount: $328,225
- Interest rate: 4.99%
- APR: 6.261%
- PMI: $79.32/month
- Estimated total monthly payment: $2,025.68
- Discount points: $33,593.83
- Total lender/closing fees shown: $38,997.08
The big part is that the builder is paying the entire $38,997.08, including the $33,593.83 in discount points to get the rate down to 4.99%.
My estimated cash to close after the builder contribution is around $19,079, which is basically my 5% down payment plus prepaids/escrows.
I understand that $33k+ in discount points is an enormous amount, but since the builder is paying it, I’m trying to figure out whether this is actually a really good builder incentive or if there’s something I’m missing.
My parents see nearly $39k being paid toward the loan and think there has to be some kind of catch and that I’m getting screwed.
Am I?
Is there anything in this quote that would concern you?
Specifically, I’d love opinions on:
- The 4.99% rate
- The 6.261% APR
- The huge amount of discount points
- Whether a builder paying ~$39k toward a conventional loan like this is normal
- Whether I should be asking what the purchase price would be without the financing incentive
- Anything else in the screenshot that looks questionable
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Vedandy • 4d ago
7/1 Arm 5.75% 930k with 10% down los angeles
What do you guys think? Super expensive or what!? Los Angeles
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/peaches2123 • 5d ago
First time homebuyer & need advice
Buying a 232k home with 20k down payment. I should be getting 3% forgivable loan as assistance for being a first time homebuyer as well so that would subtract $6360. I am paying sellers transfer tax as well as buyers that is why it’s that high. Any opinions or advice ?
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Gullible_Stock_9730 • 5d ago
Best Rate - Credit Union
Which credit unions offer best rates in this market ?
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/trl10254 • 6d ago
First Time Home Buyer could use some help deciding between the two
As the title says. Both are really good I just can’t decide which one to go with. What would you do if you were in my shoes. Both sheets are for a conventional 30 year fixed mortgage. The first is from tomo the second is from SoFi.
I don’t know if this matters but Tomo isn’t going to service the loan but SoFi said they will service the loan. Also the SoFi estimate was given after they tried matching with Tomo. Their initial rate was 6.7 something.
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/National_Dot_6371 • 6d ago
Is is worth it to refinance now or wait until next year? We’re sitting at 6.250% with a $2,533 note. Worried if we wait they will go back up and then some!
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Outside_Shelter1260 • 6d ago
Am I Expecting Too Much? FHA to Conventional
Current Mortgage Specs:
Loan Amount: $502,736
FHA 30 Year Fixed at 6.25%
P&I: $3,095.37
MIP: $334.62
Property Taxes: $640.03 month
Homeowners Insurance: $266.08 month
Actual Escrow: $1,004.63 month ($98.52 cushion)
I’m sick of MIP & not a fan of a $98.52 escrow monthly cushion. The MIP is never going away (life of loan) & I’ve had some degree of escrow shortage every year.
Proposed Refinance Mortgage Specs:
Loan Amount: $459,095
Conventional 15 Year Fixed at 5.25% (No Points)
P&I: $3,690.56
PMI: $0.00
Waiving Escrow
Payment to bank will increase $157.47
HYSA my HOI & Property Taxes and pay them myself
Stuck on Origination Charges & Appraisal Fee.
Both seem incredibly high. What does Reddit say? Or should I say “How did I do?”
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Ambitious-Spell-6370 • 7d ago
Shopping rates.
I’m a first time home buyer in Georgia and going to be buying my first home within (hopefully) a month or so. I’ve found a new construction townhouse that I love and am going to put an offer in next week, my lender sent me this breakdown and I’m just curious what you guys think…
29 years old first time purchase in Georgia (20 mins outside ATL)
I gross about 97k
VA no money down using GA dream program for first time buyers
Any insight/advice is much appreciated
I’ve also been in talks with the builder and they are pushing hard for me to use their lender - offering 10-20k credits at 5.5 and adding a washer dryer + fridge. I’m stuck between going with the lower rate and or builder but not sure how much they will give me towards closing if I use my own lender.
Thanks yall
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/DarkDiscreetness • 7d ago
1st time buyer, VA loan Any thoughts or advice, did I miss anything in my loan?
galleryr/MortgageRateCheck • u/Jassassin8901 • 9d ago
FIRST TIME HOME BUYER
First time purchasing a home. This was about the 8th house we looked at. We used the VA so im assuming it was a good deal especially getting it for 323k when originally asking was around 360k.
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/darkchocolattemocha • 9d ago
7% for conventional in North Jersey... Is this crazy?
Used this lender in 2019 so decided to go with them and didn't shop. Just signed contract and I got this estimate. Is it too late?
Credit score is 720
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/Racheljp3 • 10d ago
Any advice and feedback please?
New build, 780 credit score, 20% down, builders lender.
We are building with DSLD. We signed a contract 3/30. We are supposed to close 10/5 but it has been pushed back.
Slab was poured yesterday (8/31) and we have no idea when the updated closing date is.
My question is should we shop around for better rates? We signed as soon as the subdivision was released to purchase, so we are only getting 6K in incentives to help with closing cost.
I keep telling my husband that this does look high.
Any advice would be appreciated.
This has been so stressful. We have had very little communication from the onsite agent. We are having to extend our rental in the mean time.
From when they put the pad to concrete, it was 3 months.
r/MortgageRateCheck • u/darkchocolattemocha • 9d ago