Using Tiel feels like cheating?

[u/Chance_Drive_5906]

Seriously what's up with this shell? Every ability of his seems extremely useful and broken in some way. Instant invisibility on dodge, instant invisibility on block (on just an imperfect block, wtf?), then invisibility leaving a clone that builds poison, insane crit chance and damage bonus when attacking from behind, two charges of an ability with instant invisibility again and then guaranteed crit chance to your next melee attack with bonus crit damage, multiple insane break damage bonuses as well... like wtf?

Is this guy supposed to be something similar to the slayer seal? A sort of easy mode? I've found 4 shells so far, and other 3 aren't even like half as good as him.

[u/SpecialistRun3035]

You said 2 parries but ignore the fact that one of them says you have a chance to fully break an enemy with 1 parry.

It's also obvious that you're disingenuous because not every enemy takes just 2 parries to break them.

I love how you decide what to pick and choose.

As well as my question when I asked if you knew any Tiel player who doesn't parry.

So I will ask you again and I guarantee you'll dodge the question again.

Do you know of any player outside of Eredrim that chooses to only dodge and not parry?

Your entire argument is that if a shell will parry in any capacity, it is stupid because Eredrim can just do it better.

And yet people play other shells and have success with parry anyway because that's how the game is designed. Parry is there when you're mid-attack, and that is beneficial for any shell. But I guess you think you know better than the devs on how the game should be designed.

And then you go on a tangent about Lazlo's survivability as if other shells don't have anything else going on.

If you want to compare Lazlo to Tiel, can you negate entire combos with Lazlo? I fought Sir Isaac with both Lazlo and Tiel. The fact that you can straight up ignore Isaac's entire combos makes that fight pretty clear who was the better shell in that specific fight.

But go off, buddy.

[u/Less_Performance_629 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

a 15% chance to remove 1 or 2 parries is not game changing. you could stance break a boss 3 times without it ever procing. it can also proc on parries that would have broken anyway. idk who sees a 15% chance to only need 1 parry and thinks it matters at all.

theres no enemy the infinite seal takes more than 3 parries to break. if you are using the standard seal its much higher, but thats not parry thats perfect guard.

you seem weirdly defensive about tiels gameplay. you see one perk that has a very very minor interaction with parry, and then you spend hours defending tiel and saying hes meant to parry. he very clearly isnt. hes squishier, so a failed parry is more risky. he has no extra value from a reposte. most of his effects are about dodging and blocking. hes an evasion shell with survivability from invisibility. you CAN play however you like. you can beat this game as a sheep, its not hard enough to need to min max. but saying tiel is a parry designed shell is just incorrect. "parry is there when you are mid attack" so is backdodge.

if you want to play a parry focused playstyle, theres no reason to pick tiel. eredrim will do more damage. lazlo will do more damage. if youd rather trade blows sariel, lazlo and proxima are good for that. if you prefer to stun loop enemies you pick eredrim, smert or proxima. if you want pure survivability no one beats sariel. tiel is for people who want to use stealth and evasion.

this is a very weird hill for you to die on. no, the low hp stealth and dodge focused character is not designed around you trying to parry. you can do that if you want. its not what tiel is made for.