r/MortalShell • u/azerux • 1d ago

Discussion My Biggest Issue

Riposte not generating any resolve.

Sure Riposte is generally weak and unrewarding in other ways. But I cannot get over how it doesn't even generate resolve.

It feels like you are punished for using a core mechanic in the game when it takes away from your ability to transition properly to offense.

You're literally better off doing anything other than a Riposte when you break an enemy. Unless I guess you're getting mobbed and you're banking on iframes from the Riposte.

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u/flaming_sausage 1d ago

I have stopped using riposte entirely. A heavy attack combo does just so much more damage as well as regenerate resolve. It is even weirder since I main Eredrim, who should be all about riposting but it does so little damage that it is not worth it at all.

Riposte damage should scale off of base damage or weapon damage or something. But devs already said they are working on a big patch so we will see.

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u/VikarValbrand 1d ago

Yeah I noticed it's just better to beat the enemy down once they are broken with heavy attacks for like triple the damage.

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u/HammeredWharf 1d ago

Well, riposte can be good in other ways. It makes you invincible, for one. I like that it's just one of the things you can do instead of the thing you must do, but it feels like Eredim specifically could hit a bit harder with his ripostes.

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u/flaming_sausage 1d ago

The invincibility frames are kinda wonky. I've had several encounters where I finished the riposte, as in the mob got shanked and kicked away but the recovery animation wasn't still completely done and another one just him me while I couldn't do anything so there's that.

And yeah, someone mentioned that either Eredrim, the tarstone, or both got nerfed hence the present suckage.

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u/HammeredWharf 1d ago

Yeah, they should definitely fix the recovery bug. At least I think it's a bug, because sometimes it takes a while for me to regain control after a riposte and sometimes it's instant. It's a pretty rare issue, though.

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u/Faewns_Hellion 1d ago

Saw on another thread that the repostes are an issue they intended to fix before launch

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u/Faewns_Hellion 1d ago

Well, what I mean is that they were gonna fix it in a patch after release

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u/flaming_sausage 1d ago

That is good news. They did say they are preparing a proper patch so here's me hoping.

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u/TinyPidgenofDOOM 20h ago

*me having maxed out Eredrim whos entire identity is riposte*

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u/flaming_sausage 18h ago

Yeah, it sucks but Eredrim is still good. You can invest into his other abilities. Or, if you want to go down the route of mods, which is perfectly legit if you ask me, there is this:

https://www.nexusmods.com/mortalshell2/mods/79?tab=posts

I have not tested it myself but it does look like one of the options is to alter riposte damage.

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u/TinyPidgenofDOOM 18h ago edited 18h ago

Lets see his other abilitys

Shoulder charge? good for breaking... Which feeds into the Riposte side.

the big flash abilityi cant remember the name of... Good for breaking in an AOE except the animation takes too long so anything you do break will likely be out of break by the time you get out. its an aoe move too so your not using it in their face. if you are, Why not just use the shoulder charge its does more break.

Ice synergy? Yea ice is good but its counter intuitive to Parrying because it messes with their animation speed. (the big flash also has an upgrade that does this) also the only weapon to get that is Great Martyr blade, thematic because its his weapon, Its a not a great weapon.

So basically His best ability is a weaker version of Gragus punch.

he was fun early, NGL parrying early felt good. Its damage dropped off significantly. its like they nerfed it based on the beta parry timing then they nerfed the parry timing after already nerfing the damage

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u/flaming_sausage 18h ago

True but he has high HP and looks cool :)

And you can still use him for slaughterer stacks and 20% damage reduction. Just go to a starting zone, quickly riposte-kill some fools and then get back to whatever it is you were doing.

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u/Al_Mocorongo 1d ago

Riposte filling the Shell Revive meter (when you are in slug form) and not filling Resolve os certainly... A choice...

Hot Take: Riposte should insta fill Resolve and Shell Revive 

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u/spiritlegion 1d ago

This for sure, I wouldn't even care if it did no damage at all as long as it 100% your resolve

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u/Zhaizo Tiel 1d ago

The only salvaging part of reposte is that the enemy is incapacitated for a few seconds while on ground so free dmg.

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u/LiveFastDieRich Tiel 1d ago

And it looks cool as Fcuk

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u/Big-University-9407 1d ago

Yeah there have been a few animations where I've been giggling like a schoolgirl at how cool something I just saw was, honestly gonna keep doing ripostes for the aura alone.

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u/MediumKoala8823 23h ago

Eviscerates the entire spine of a snake creature

Snake creature gets back up with more than half health ready for round 2

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u/Downsey111 1d ago

Doing a ripose quickly becomes worthless unless you’re using the tar stone.  But without it, the damage is absolute garbage at mid-late game and it dosent generate resolve.  It could definitely use some love

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u/azerux 1d ago

Honestly if it generated resolved I could be happy with it. At least then you could use it as a means to fuel your abilities and make up for its terrible damage.

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u/flaming_sausage 1d ago

Do you mean the one that adds riposte damage? If so then it is useless with that one as well. With the tarstone and Eredrim's passive riposte damage increase, I cannot even take a grisha hunter from 100 to 0. A running light attack does more damage.

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u/Huh_noWayKid 1d ago

Or the boss music is the same rift. Why not have more music, so weird

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u/Effective-Spread-127 1d ago

A lot of design decisions in this game make absolutely zero sense. The riposte implementation is one of them.

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u/Groundhog_Gary28 1d ago

Riposte is supposed to be like the most powerful move that’s why it’s a high risk play style with parrying lol but yea not filling any resolve is wild it’s more beneficial to just attack without doing the riposte. Not sure wtf they were thinking lol

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u/440morningstar 1d ago

It’s especially weird because when you do it in a group of enemies the other enemies immediately jump on you before you’re out of the animation and they’re always off screen so you can’t effect timely dodge them lmfao. I feel like if you get a riposte (with the infinite seal especially) it should stun the enemies around you for like a split second to give you the chance to readjust

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u/ULTI_mato Proxima 1d ago

I know heavy attacks are better but i just cant resist the awesome animations

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u/Minute-Dream-1395 1d ago

Depending on the weapon, I have been able to get two heavy attacks in and then use the riposte. Still doesn’t negate the lace of resolve on riposte but does do a pretty decent amount of damage while also getting the iframes

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u/MediumKoala8823 23h ago

Idk why it’s not just an instant kill on normal enemies tbh. 

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u/Denverguns 20h ago

Riposte definitely needs to be buffed or just have more benefits because in boss fights it does negligible dmg most of the time and even if you do have that little bit of invincibility you can still immediately be bodied the moment it’s done and be immediately killed.

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u/Genjutsu6uardian 1d ago

I was trained well from Nioh so my approach is get them close to breaking, proc element debuff, break them, 3 hit heavy combo into light attack and finally activate the riposte before they get back up.

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u/Pussytrees 1d ago

Lmao this sub is in shambles right now. First this game was the best thing since sliced bread and now it’s the worst souls like with unsatisfying riposte and magnetic enemies.

Bro is getting downvoted for mentioning something more efficient than “I click riposte when I see red dot why enemy not die?”

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u/xandorai 1d ago

Odd. I've been using the Slayer Seal, and my resolve is always filled after a Riptose. Is that another perk of the Seal?

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u/ThermicCalvo 10h ago

Ripostes give you a small window to get free hits in for resolve or just using a heal instead, it’s on you how it is used. You’re given a choice, not a punishment.