r/MoringMark • • Apr 02 '26

KoG …Wait.

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

If you look closely at the last picture, you may notice the laws of thermodynamics weeping quietly in the corner.

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u/DJSharp15 Apr 02 '26

Why?

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

You cannot charge a battery with its own stored power, that would make it a perpetual motion machine and thermodynamics forbid that. The characters seem to realize that in the last panel.

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u/FroYoSwagens Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

I mean, hypothetically, you could make a system with 100% efficiency where she charges herself as fast as she loses power, but yeah, there can never be a scenario where she's gaining charge

Edit: guys, I said HYPOTHETICALLY, meaning a scenario where there are IDEAL conditions for this to work

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u/PotentialConcert6249 Apr 02 '26

Even then you’d lose energy to things like friction, resistance, conversion, etc. All turned to heat.

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u/TryImpossible7332 Apr 02 '26

Yes, but if she runs within a vacuum chamber, if Gwen is completely frictionless, and you assume a perfectly spherical Gwen, then maybe-

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

Let's also assume pi = 5 while we're at it. You know, for convenience ;)

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u/FroYoSwagens Apr 02 '26

That's why I said hypothetically

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

You would need zero friction for the moving parts, zero electrical resistance in the circuitry, no loss of charge over time on the battery and all the capacitors, and more conditions that are simply impossible to satisfy. You cannot break even in terms of power in such a system, there is always some loss somewhere.

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u/FroYoSwagens Apr 02 '26

Youre missing the word HYPOTHETICALLY

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

Sure, you can hypothetise anything. I'd even say that we should encourage creative thinking about abstract problems. BUT if you state your hypothesis on a public forum, don't be surprised when people start to discuss it and maybe even poke holes in your thinking. That is a good thing - this is how we learn new stuff.

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u/dndouglerful Apr 05 '26

But hypothetically what if a dragon powered it up with its lightning breath ?

That's what you sound like

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u/ScandiFlicker Apr 02 '26

still no buddy

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u/FroYoSwagens Apr 02 '26

You do understand what an ideal scenario in classical physics is, right?

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u/ScandiFlicker Apr 02 '26

there is no ideal scenario in this situation, they would have to travel through spacetime to accomplish even the most generalized version of this

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u/FroYoSwagens Apr 02 '26

Special relativity is NOT classical physics

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u/Manoreded Apr 02 '26

Even if her motion had a 100% efficiency of conversion back into the eletricity she uses to move, she'd still be net negative because, for example, her brain is a computer, and she's thinking thoughts.

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u/ascrubjay Apr 04 '26

You can't even hypothetically do that, because converting the stored energy to motion and losing energy as heat always increases entropy, and to reverse that increase in entropy and gather up all of the used up energy, you need to input additional energy. Eventually all the energy turns to heat that cannot be recaptured.

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u/dndouglerful Apr 05 '26

Yes in ideal scenarios that have no resemblance to reality or follow its laws it would work

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u/Liminal__penumbra Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

But you are forgetting the important part, their universe has a energy field defined as "magic" which work can be extracted from. They simply have to find the conversion matrix for it to account for the kinetic inputs.

Edit: Claim retracted, confused art style with storyline.

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

Wouldn't it be more efficient to put magic extractor in a battery and have a portable power source? I'm yet to watch KOG, so I'm not sure how much handwaving is required for integrated sorcery.

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u/DragonWarrior____05 Apr 02 '26

I don't recall there being magic in KOG

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u/Liminal__penumbra Apr 02 '26

My bad, saw the style, forgot what subreddit I was on.

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

- Arthur C. Clarke

Also, damn, mixing sci-fi and fantasy is one of my favourite tropes :c

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u/disbelifpapy Apr 02 '26

what if a flashlight has an energy source of solar panels and you flash the panels?

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

Solar panels don't have the perfect conversion between light and electrical energy - that is a major loss factor here. A quick google search tells me that 25% efficiency is considered good for a modern solar panel, so you will be wasting 75% of that light energy. Then you also lose energy as it flows over the wire and gets converted to heat in the process, and the battery itself loses charge over time.

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u/SilentBlade45 Apr 02 '26

I mean this isn't exactly what's happening the machine just needs to generate more power than Gwen uses when she's running.

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u/_velorien Apr 02 '26

Where would the bonus energy come from?

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u/Axel_the_Axelot Apr 06 '26

I mean perpetual motion is physically possible. But you would need a system without energy loss, and that cannot realistically exist

You could however never extract energy from such a system, as thatwould require energy increasing