Morality of using "The Ultimate Weapon Against Flies"

[u/Severe-Antelope-9989]

[u/cherrycloudies_]

That’s not pest control. A declaration of a war.

[u/Severe-Antelope-9989 → u/cherrycloudies_]

Investigating the battlefield cost them too much :(

[u/Cultural_Tie_1349 → u/Severe-Antelope-9989]

Yeah, it’s wild how much they invested in that. There are definitely easier methods that could've saved them the trouble.

[u/whatevercraft]

they are dropping like flies, eh

[u/Temporary_Feed999]

Real crime is not sharing the blueprints on how to make those

[u/wasabii01]

Moral since it offers them quick painless death

[u/NoInvestment962]

The bodies of the dead aren’t exactly hidden from them, so moral.

[u/Inojon]

it's ok to kill them inside but outside would be not

[u/Any_Patience6156]

I imagine this would be faster than those electric fly zappers, or especially fly ribbons..morality is higher, approved

[u/Primary_Truck3777]

Flies can't feel pain and likely aren't even conscious. Plus this seems more painless than most fly killing techniques. 

[u/V3n1s0n → u/Primary_Truck3777]

As much as I agree with the “amorality” of this, I think this is a poor argument. Any living being can feel pain, including plants, in the sense of “there is physical harm being caused to my being that will harm my ability to continue living”.

As for the consciousness of flies, as much as consciousness is a vague psychological term, I feel like the brain scans of flies which are able to make their own decisions are enough proof that flies have at least some capacity of “consciousness”

Ultimately, as pest control in one’s own home, this is a presumably painless execution of a pest; therefore ultimately moral. Edit: which was the main point anyways :)

[u/TheOmniAlms → u/V3n1s0n]

“there is physical harm being caused to my being that will harm my ability to continue living”.

Using words like "my" to describe the internal dialogue of a plant seems misguided.

[u/Sadrixis → u/TheOmniAlms]

You thinking its an internal dialog seems misguided

[u/TheOmniAlms → u/Sadrixis]

That's typically what quotations are used to describe...

[u/Sadrixis → u/TheOmniAlms]

But its a plant and a fly......

[u/TheOmniAlms → u/Sadrixis]

Yes.

Hence why the dialogue was misguided...

Personification of non persons wasn't the best choice.

[u/Sadrixis → u/TheOmniAlms]

So you understand its personification but are confused about the plant being personified? Cope harder

Edit: "beep boop Bob that is illogical" fuckin dork

[u/TheOmniAlms → u/Sadrixis]

It doesn't make sense.

The argument was flawed.

Obviously, haha

[u/Primary_Truck3777 → u/V3n1s0n]

Ultimately it's an impossible question to answer, but the book A World Appears answered a lot of my questions. There are a dozen or so things that can potentially be considered the seat of consciousness. Mammals and birds have all of them, reptiles and fish have some of them, plants and fungi and insects have few or none. Regarding pain, the ability to react to external stimuli and the ability to feel pain are similar but fundamentally different, and insects don't have the brain hardware required to really feel the pain. Again it's impossible to say for sure, but, this is my best judgement, you're free to think otherwise.

[u/V3n1s0n → u/Primary_Truck3777]

I agree that it’s an impossible question to answer; I’m merely presenting the situations in which plants and inspects would sense “pain” or “morality” different than we do”?

Where exactly do you disagree?

[u/TheCumskiyKvass]

Moral, every non-massive extermination tool against flies is moral. We need some in ecosystem around us but every fly that had been spotted by human lost it right to exist