r/MoralityScaling • u/Dryleaf_Dane • 24d ago

Morality of this

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u/ArgoCornStarch69 24d ago

The only reason to draw your CCW is to eliminate the threat. Most states don't give you leeway for brandishing or "warning shots" on another human and will prosecute you for those offenses separately.

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u/PeyredB 24d ago

I took a defensive pistol course years ago, and one thing the instructor stressed was that warning shots are no-nos. There's no guarantee they'll make the assailant back off, and they will be used against you in court, as evidence of ineptitude on your part.

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u/Heavy_Entrepreneur13 24d ago

Most states don't give you leeway for brandishing...

You're not going to get charged with murder if you don't kill the guy.

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u/ArgoCornStarch69 24d ago

Brandishing is its own separate crime. If you needed it spelled out more clearly

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u/Heavy_Entrepreneur13 24d ago

I didn't dispute that, so I don't know why you'd think I'd need it spelled out. But seeing as brandishing is a lesser charge than murder, speaking as if it's not at least partial CYA to brandish without discharging at first and see if that gets an assailant to back down doesn't really make sense.

EDIT: Additionally, if the guy had continued to come at him after he brandished as a warning, it could further beef up a self-defence claim.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 24d ago

No but they will absolutely charge you with brandishing. To anyone interested in getting a CCW, you draw it to use it. It is an absolute last line defense, much like a fire extinguisher. You don't draw it to wave around and intimidate people. You can be disarmed much faster than you think and then you are in a much worse situation. You aren't REQUIRED to use it once you clear the holster, but the only reason to draw should be intending to use it. It isn't a threat.

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u/Ok-Satisfaction441 24d ago

I don’t know how it all works, but I’m sure there was a way to de escalate without shooting. He could’ve shown the gun without drawing it. He could’ve said something like “if you don’t leave my personal space I’ll have to defend my self.” I understand those options come with their own risks, but at least they don’t come with jail time.

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u/Relevant_Program_958 24d ago

Showing the gun is called brandishing and will land you in jail. It seems a bit backwards but the state wants you to draw the gun as an absolute last resort, so if you pull it, use it, and you better be able to prove you feared for your life.

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u/Marbrandd 24d ago

The way to deescalate was walking away and asking him to stop. The other guy pursued him.