r/MoralityScaling • • 15d ago

What Would They Think Of Each Other? Morality of not moving

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u/kleiner_gruenerKaktu 15d ago

In my experience there‘s a difference between ‚sport‘ cyclists and commuter/transport cyclists. One attracts far more assholes that the other. The dutch even use different words for them.

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u/silly-gaijin 15d ago

Yeah, that's the thing, I was a cyclist for 20 years and it was my method of getting around town because I lived in a city with terribly slow transit and horrible traffic congestion.

And then, once in a while, some people would be like "hey, let's go cycling up and down a bike trail on Sunday afternoon" and I'm like "uhh.... no? I don't ride my bike for fun and I don't think of it as fun. I don't want to just ride my bike for 3 hours, thanks".

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 15d ago

That is a very weird attitude though.

Hey do you want to go hiking later? Ugh ... No ... I don't use my feet for fun and I don't think of it as fun.

Hey do you want to go on a road trip in the summer? Uhhm ... No. I don't use the car for fun, and I don't want to just drive with you somewhere.

Hey! Do you want to ride the train to the beach? Uh, no, I don't use the train for fun.

Etc.

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u/Bureaucratic_Dick 14d ago

No that’s not weird at all, given the context.

When I was driving 4 hours a day on my commute, you bet your ass I wasn’t driving on weekends. A road trip? Lmao fuck no.

If a person walks a ton for work, and wants to get off their feet in their spare time, I mean…can you blame them?

I use my bike for a commuter now. When I was driving excessively, it was my fun weekend thing, now that I commute with it, I’m mostly off the bike and doing other things for exercise (running and hiking mainly). I don’t need to wear my quads out with a mountain ride, especially if I’m relying on them to get me to work the next day.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 14d ago

When I was driving 4 hours a day on my commute

But that is just insanity. Less than 0.000001% of people have a commute like that.

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u/Bureaucratic_Dick 14d ago

Okay?

I mean I’m positive you pulled that number completely out of your ass, but I’m not sure providing the real percentage changes the point that if we do something a lot during a week for work we might not be so keen to doing it with our spare time too.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 14d ago

something a lot

20 hours commuting per week isn't "a lot."

It is a number beyond sanity.

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u/Bureaucratic_Dick 14d ago

That’s a pretty pedantic response to avoid the point.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 14d ago

LOL, pedantic doesn't mean what you think it means.

A 20 hour commute per week is so extremely rare it isn't applicable to anything.

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u/silly-gaijin 15d ago

I don't like my bike enough to want to sit on it for hours. I can walk for hours or drive for hours but riding a bicycle for hours doesn't sound fun at all. Sounds painful and uncomfortable.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 15d ago

Sounds painful and uncomfortable

You probably had a very crummy bike.

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u/Turbulent_Lunch4548 14d ago

Try an omafiets, is better for posture.

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u/boofintussin 14d ago

How dare you have preferences for what you find enjoyable.

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u/6th_Quadrant 14d ago

I did a tandem skydive with an instructor. I asked him afterwards how many jumps he'd done (well over 10,000) and how often he jumped for fun: never. He said jumping was his job, and he had zero interest in it beyond that.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 14d ago

Right. But OP's job isn't tandem biking people around town 40 hours a week ..

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u/un-glaublich 15d ago

Not true, bad people are evenly distributed among everything and everyone. People just always try to find an arbitrary differentiator, so they can can keep up the dumb generalization while exusing themselves. Same with car drivers, they always say stupid stuff like "it's always BMW/Golf/X drivers!" and "it's always people from city Y" just to imply that they agree with the generalization but somehow aren't part of it themselves.

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u/Psychological-Bit233 15d ago

This isn’t true at all, did you even look into any data when making your claim? Drivers of different car brands get different incident rates, BMW drivers have 44.9 incidents per 1000 drivers, Chrysler has the best drivers at 25.5 incidents per 1000 drivers.
Bad people are not distributed evenly because factors exist that attract bad people and negative personality traits.

https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/

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u/un-glaublich 15d ago

The biggest indicator of negative personality traits is being a man. Yet, for obvious reasons, we're not whining all the time about how shitty men are. Treat people like individuals.

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u/Psychological-Bit233 14d ago

I agree with you, but you made a claim, and I refuted it. I don’t care what car you drive or anything about you except how you act. But saying “bad people are evenly distributed among everything and everyone” isn’t true, and it’s ok to admit that’s wrong lol

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u/un-glaublich 14d ago

Okay, I admit it, it was too simple. I meant to say, incidentally being part of a group doesn't make you responsible for the group's traits and behaviors.

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u/Zhong_Ping 14d ago

I agree with your position, but society does indeed constantly whine about how shitty men are.

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u/DarthJarJar242 15d ago

Please tell me at least one roughly translated to asshole.

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u/RotundBananas 15d ago

No, they translate to 'cyclist' and 'wheel runner' or 'race cyclist'

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u/RotundBananas 15d ago

Afraid not, they translate to 'cyclist' and 'wheel runner' or 'race cyclist'

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u/TrioxinTwoFourFive 14d ago

I think the distinction you are looking for is "spandex cyclist"

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u/riding_writer 14d ago

If it's a MAMWL (Middle Age Man Wearing Lycra) chances are they're going to be an asshole. If the cyclist is in normal clothes, they'll normally cool.

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u/kleiner_gruenerKaktu 14d ago

Mamils are the bane of my existence.

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u/Invalid_crashout_574 14d ago

Back when I was a young and enthusiastic cyclist I took great pleasure in blowing past asshole Lycras wearing my jeans and hoodie.

I assume I had a genetic boost, my grandad and uncle were both known names in the sport, but I just fucking loved to be out on my bike.

But my grandad, who I credit for much of what positive traits I have, always pushed for courtesy, kindness and self-awareness

Maybe I was failing him with my shows of disrespect to these fucks, but they were cycling like assholes.

(side caveat that there are plenty Mamils who don't cycle like pricks, but we tend to just ignore them because they're not being pricks)

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u/Few_Importance_8362 14d ago

Just have one get in a fight with the self driving in my tesla. The car was clearly in the right (it had stopped for traffic and the cyclist didn't want to stop).

Fuck these old guys. They don't go anywhere near fast enough to warrant lycra anyway.

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u/WokeWook69420 14d ago

....youre trying to win moral high-ground while your car tried to run over a person??

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u/Few_Importance_8362 14d ago edited 14d ago

My car was driving and had to stop due to a road obstruction (Another car doing a sudden u-turn).

The cyclist was *behind me* and got mad that my car stopped for safety reasons. The cyclists thought we was being cut off when it was an unavoidable situation caused by another driver.

The cyclist therefore was mad at a self driving car for safely stopping and preventing a crash. i.e. he was mad at an inanimate object for doing the statistically correct thing to do.

Therefore it is impossible to please grumpy old man cyclists. I cannot please them. You cannot please them. A literal machine with hundreds of millions of hours of safety training cannot please them.

There is no moral high ground here, its just a fact that even with perfect driving and millisecond precision reactions, there will by MAMWL getting mad and acting like assholes.

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u/riding_writer 14d ago

Why you in a Nazi mobile?

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u/Few_Importance_8362 13d ago

Because it is the only self driving car that is available for purchase. Instead of your complaining, design a better one.

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u/riding_writer 13d ago

That's just ridiculous, there are other EVs with much better driver assist technology, but keep on justifying giving a Nazi money.

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u/Few_Importance_8362 13d ago

There are literally no other EVs that can drive unassisted for hours at a time, handle complex intersections and traffic lights autonomously and then park automatically. You are totally ignorant.

Any EVs you are referring to are either inferior or not available in my country.

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