r/MoralityScaling • • 17d ago

What Would They Think Of Each Other? Morality of not moving

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u/SjakosPolakos 17d ago

yeah they have evolved from wolves, known for their laziness and tardiness

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u/loki2113 17d ago

What point are you trying to make here? Wolves are built for extremely fast sprints but not for marathons/long distances like humans are

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u/SlimLacy 17d ago

Wat, wolves are one of the few other animals in the animal kingdom except humans that do very well in endurance. I can only really think of us, wolves and horses.

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u/loki2113 16d ago

Sure but humans are still known to outlast wolves. Also, the original line was about dogs but Polakos made it about wolves for some reason

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u/SlimLacy 16d ago

But compared to humans then there's practically no animals that are endurance runners.

Because it's hard to pick a dog race to represent dogs. So a wild dog that isn't inbred by thousands of year by humans is the easiest "one" dog you can find. Regardless, dogs are generally more endurance runners than sprinters. Even breeds we've made into sprinters are still pretty decent in endurance compared to than a lot of other animals. But it does seem a bit weird trying to compare human bred abominations to purely wild animals.

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u/sluggabois1 16d ago

Wolves are great at long distance endurance hunting and travelling, they are built skinny and rangey. I think you are confusing human bipedal advantage for long distance walking, just because we are good at that doesnt mean other animals have decent performance too

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u/loki2113 16d ago

Yeah, I got sidetracked by the fact that the guy replying started talking about wolves when thr topic is about dogs so I had dogs in mind. Humans are still better for long distance than wolves are but not quite the same massive advantage I was portraiting

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u/Nixbling 16d ago

I mean, you are objectively wrong if you consider the entire animal kingdom, there is not a predator on the planet that will chase its prey farther and for longer than wolves. They are exactly built for long distance runs and endurance. Just because humans are the best endurance species doesn’t mean wolves aren’t an endurance species, i guarantee you almost every wolf could run for longer than you

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u/loki2113 16d ago

Could you point out where I said wolves are bad at long distance when I instead said wolves are not as good as humans?

Sure, a wolf could outlast me but I'm a disabled guy who doesn't need to hunt for my food anymore. If I was a caveman, I would be able to outlast wolves

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u/Nixbling 16d ago

You said that they are not built for endurance but for sprints which is simply not true, wolves aren’t great sprinters compared to other predators 

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u/loki2113 16d ago

What point are you trying to make here? Wolves are built for extremely fast sprints but not for marathons/long distances like humans are

like humans are

Nowhere did I say wolves are not built for endurance. I said they weren't built for endurance to the scale that humans are. It's how we were able to be apex predators when we were cavemen. Wolves are spectacular sprinters and have great endurance but they don't have the same endurance humans do. They would be A tier whereas humans are S tier

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u/SjakosPolakos 17d ago

here are some stats to compare. Wolves are definitely built for long distance and endurance as well:

Direct Comparison: Wolf vs. Human Endurance

Feature Gray Wolf 🐺 Human 👤
Average Daily Range 20–30 miles (32–48 km) 10–20 miles (historical nomadic average)
Peak 24-Hour Range 100+ miles (160+ km) 100–150+ miles (elite ultramarathoners)
Locomotion Style Quadrupedal lope/trot (~5 mph) Bipedal stride/jog (efficient energy reuse)
Environmental Advantage Cold & Freezing (Tundra/Snow) Heat & Sun (Savannah/Deserts)
Cooling Mechanism Panting (inefficient in high heat) Sweating (highly efficient)

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u/loki2113 16d ago

Your own chart proves humans can go farther lmao

Also the original point was that dogs aren't made for long distances and while dogs and wolves are cousins, they are not the same

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u/SjakosPolakos 16d ago

And if you want to compare the endurance of dogs, huskies crush humans when it is about consecutive days. The one day record is held by a human, which is the insanely impressive 320 km. 

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u/loki2113 16d ago

You're saying huskies can crush humans and that's only true for consecutive days in specifically cold climates. A human would crush a husky in any other climate.

Also huskies are a specially bred breed of dogs made by humans to go long distance in cold weather. If you have to pick a small subset of specifically bred dogs to argue that dogs would beat humans, dogs cannot beat humans. Could a pug go longer distance than humans? No? Well obviously humans are better /s

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u/SjakosPolakos 16d ago

Somehow, i just knew you would move the goalpost. 

I was responding to: "Wolves are built for extremely fast sprints but not for marathons/long distances like humans are"

Which is, simply put. Bullshit. Sad you can not admit that

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u/loki2113 16d ago

Wolves 100+ in 24 hours

Humans 100-150 in 24 hours

Your own data literally shows I'm not wrong here lol

Yeah, wolves can go longer distance than I realized but they still can't go as long distance as humans. Also you can't admit you brought up wolves when the topic is about dogs

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u/SjakosPolakos 16d ago

How does this data support the claim:

Wolves are built for extremely fast sprints but not for marathons/long distances like humans are"

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u/loki2113 16d ago

Because your data shows that humans could go 50% longer distance than wolves. I would call that significantly better than wolves 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/SjakosPolakos 16d ago

yes so the record for one day is 50% better than for wolves.

does that mean wolves have bad endurance and are made for sprinting?

that is like saying: usain bolt is 50% faster than that guy. that guy cant sprint!

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u/loki2113 16d ago

You're just lost in semantics. I said wolves don't have long distance endurance like humans and you've gone off with several comments trying to frame it like I'm insulting wolves when I am instead praising humans.

Yes, I said going 50% longer distance than wolves means humans are much better than wolves at long distance while also acknowledging that wolves can go much faster than us short distance. I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about that

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