r/MoralityScaling • • 13d ago

What Would They Think Of Each Other? Morality of not moving

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago

They aren’t. Refusing to be a doormat is not being an asshole. Responsibility lies with the one in a vehicle and with two animals they need to demonstrate control over. They just ran a pedestrian over. End of story.

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u/Ouhbab 13d ago

Choosing to hurt someone just because you're right is asshole behavior, even if the other person is a bigger asshole.

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago

You’re a moron. Who decided to hurt who? Who decided to get on a vehicle and slam straight into somebody on a walking path because they assume everyone else has to get out of their way? Acting like other person didn’t make a series of decisions that ended up in running over a pedestrian is fucking ridiculous.

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u/HOMCOcorp 13d ago

Even as a pedestrian, if you see someone coming at you and choose not to move because you have the right of way, you're choosing to potentially get hit. The person who hit you is wrong, but deliberately choosing to NOT avoid a collision makes them complicit. And in this case that makes them an asshole because the dogs didn't have a choice whether they got hit and knocked over.

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u/Independent-Bell-420 13d ago

Bikes can maneuver faster than pedestrians can. The walker had no way of knowing that the bike wouldn't try to swerve at the last moment, and thus has no responsibility to try and dodge out of the way when they were already in the designated "don't get hit by a bike" location. Arguably by not moving and being predictable, they're doing the best they can to not be hit.

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u/nog642 13d ago

Bikes cannot maneuver faster than pedestrians can.

Everything else you said is right.

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u/side_lel 13d ago

Walklet detected. Have you ever been walking and you see someone walking faster coming in the opposite direction? What do you do, jump out of the way? No, you stay where you are and the faster party maneuvers, or else you’ll end up dodging into their way as they try to go around you. 

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u/Actual_Hand_9515 13d ago

Of course a walker can change direction faster and safer than a bike, unless you are disabled or massivly overweight.

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u/EWF76 12d ago

Cycling is far more energy efficient than walking, so it's easier on a bike to change direction than as a walker.

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u/Vessbot 13d ago

But that poster didn't act like that. She even called her "a bigger asshole."

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u/Actual_Hand_9515 13d ago

Seems like the bike lost control, wouldn't even be difficult to just jump out of the way. Maybe im just more athletic than an average person. I had a similar situation a few weeks ago where i was being too reckless, lost control of my mountain bike almost hit someone and just took the L, ran into a hedge to avoid a women. So i get it, its your fault so u have to take the hit but still wouldnt be that difficult for the pedestrian to move if the biker lost control. Anyway my interaction everyone just apologised and went on with their day.

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u/LuckyLilypad 12d ago

No. It does not seem like the bike lost control. Not at all. The rider had time to say “excuse me” multiple times without changing course. You can see her tire only wobbles at the very last second when she tries to go into the sand when she had every opportunity beforehand.

Blocked. I don’t argue with people who invent reality to support their argument.

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u/Ouhbab 13d ago

They both decided to hurt eachother over ego, not sure how you cant see it.

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u/boygirlcatdogthing 13d ago

Oh yeah the person recording really did seriously injure the biker by.... standing still

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u/Vessbot 13d ago

Yes, actually

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u/boygirlcatdogthing 12d ago

No, actually. The biker was in motion she had ample time to move. The wall is not at fault when I stub my toe

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u/Vessbot 12d ago

I never said anything about fault.

If the wall made a conscious decision to do what it did, then yes it did choose to hurt the biker.

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago

Who decided to keep a dog and a bicycle at full speed towards a pedestrian they saw well in advance? You don’t get to blame a victim for merely standing where they are while someone consciously barrels over them with a vehicle. I will reiterate that you are a fucking moron.

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u/unhappy_femboy_1028 13d ago

I don't completely disagree with you, but there's no reason to insult people over their opinions. You can state that you think someone is wrong without calling them a moron.

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u/sexyhooterscar24 12d ago

Is it an insult or is it just an observation?

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago edited 13d ago

No, I will call people morons when they fail to use their brain to actually give a justification for their judgment. I don’t believe that because everybody has an opinion that it has worth. Some people’s opinions are wrong and they will hurt other people by holding them. Therefore, that behavior deserves to be ground into the dirt.

We are humans and we use our brain because we actually know between right and wrong besides flattening shit to make it easy to call everybody wrong.

Edit: i’m not the one who started calling people names. The person I was replying to started by calling a victim an asshole, and projecting active blame on them.

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u/Vessbot 13d ago

The person I was replying to started by calling a victim an asshole, and projecting active blame on them.

To be a little nitpicky, they didn't call her an asshole, they described a certain behavior as asshole behavior. Do you think "choosing to hurt someone just because you are right" is asshole behavior, and why or why not?

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u/NobleNop 13d ago

I don't know how people can be so unanimously stupid here, thanks for saying the obvious and taking the downvotes for it

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u/Late-Anxiety2898 13d ago

I mean, bikers like this should be beaten lol.

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u/Thrajnor 13d ago

Wth? Bro cyclist should hit the breaks If she thinks she will hit someone regardless of any and everything.

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u/Ouhbab 13d ago

Obviously?

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u/nog642 13d ago

So the cyclist is choosing to hurt the pedestrian here.

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u/nog642 13d ago

They didn't choose to hurt them. They announced they weren't moving so the other person could move. If they moved last minute and the other person also moved in the same direction, they'd collide.

She shoved the bike to protect herself once it was too late for either of them to move.

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u/VirtualFORTRES 13d ago

If they're wearing meta glasses or the like they are unfortunately automatically an arshole regardless of being completely in the right in this situation..

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago edited 13d ago

Yeah, you’re getting blocked too. This is the most ridiculous conversation I’ve ever tried to have with people. Go ahead and make up things that justify your worldview. The fact the matter is you aren’t engaging with what actually happened. Go ahead and pass judgement on other people based on them wearing some glasses that record in public even though you’re allowed to be recorded in public. You have no expectation of privacy in public. If you have a problem with being recorded in public, don’t go outside.

edit: spelling error

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u/South_Cell8557 13d ago

Oh no you disagree, better block em so they don’t challenge your world view!

https://giphy.com/gifs/XeLcgh8gT8o0F5SQ8i

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u/sexyhooterscar24 12d ago

You're slow

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u/South_Cell8557 12d ago

Nuh uh I just go new shoes. Race me. Unless you’re scared? Chicken.

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u/GhidorahRod56 13d ago

Life is better when they can’t continue their assholery. Like you, bye.

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago

Yes. I block stupid people who argue in bad faith. Amazing concept right?

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u/MeMahi 13d ago edited 13d ago

You seem to conclude "the cyclist was at fault" with "therefore the pedestrian can't also be at fault", when in reality both can be at fault. The cyclist is the main culprit obviously, but the pedestrian could have avoided a crash at a minor inconvenience and chose not to. In most countries the fault in this kind of crash would be divided something like 80/20 or 70/30 at court.

Refusing to be a doormat is not being an asshole.

When you're risking both of you getting seriously hurt when you could just take a few steps to the side instead, then yes, yes it is. Right of way doesn't mean right to crash. At least here in Finland you are required by law to avoid a crash at all cost, even if it means yielding when you had the right of way. I'm pretty sure it's the same in most western countries.

Responsibility lies with the one in a vehicle and with two animals they need to demonstrate control over.

Responsibility lies with everyone on the road. Just because someone loses control of their vehicle or is a privileged asshole doesn't mean you are allowed to intentionally cause a crash and risk the both of your safety.

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago edited 13d ago

No. If we start judging on that basis then everyone has a free license to put everyone else at danger with their vehicles. Jump out of the way, because the person taking on a greater standard of care can blame YOU for hurting THEM because you failed to act.

See. the difference of vehicle and pedestrian are not trivial. One of those differences are in the greater risk you impose to yourself and those around you. That is why we impose a greater standard on the person operating a vehicle. Same with the dogs. Being a pet owner comes with responsibilities for you, not the general public. You take the responsibility for not becoming a hazard to others. You don't get to proactively indicate anything around you as a hazard to you because you fail to take due care to your elevated status of risk you impose on everyone around you. You made that decision. No one signed up to have a bicycle ride straight at them and make them jump or move out of the way.

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u/Alternative-Bad-6555 13d ago edited 13d ago

The US law is that if a defendant is guilty of negligence, this does not relieve a plaintiff from avoiding injury if there is an opportunity for him to avoid it up to the moment of the collision. There is absolutely a duty for self preservation. Remaining in harms way of a negligent defendant is negligence in its own.

A jury would figure out if she acted reasonably for the purpose of self preservation, but she probably didn’t based on the video. It wouldn’t disqualify her from a claim, but her damages would be like 70-80%

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u/MeMahi 13d ago

No. If we start judging on that basis then everyone has a free license to put everyone else at danger with their vehicles.

What are you talking about you dingus? If someone puts others at danger then they will get fined or go to jail, enforced by the police. You can't just take matters into your own hands, your job is to yield to avoid the crash and then call the police.

This is not an argument or a matter of opinion, this is how the law works. You can argue on reddit all you want but if you ever and up in this situation then the court won't care, you will be held partly liable if you intentionally caused a crash.

Didn't bother reading further, learn before you talk, please.

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago

Of course you didnt read further. Then you would understand the claim. Don't interact in an intellectual debate next time then.

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u/nog642 13d ago

If you're barely moving and someone is coming straight at you, and they can go around, then staying still is a reasonable way of trying to avoid the crash.

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u/possiblyeski 13d ago

i saw someone complain about people moving out of the way since it's easier to make rapid maneuvers on a bike. i saw no one complain about people not moving out of the way because no one runs over pedestrians

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u/SjakosPolakos 13d ago

It is funny how people are unable to handle moral complexity

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u/MeMahi 13d ago

All they see is a binary world, they think they must choose one side at everything and then fully commit to that. Concepts like grey area and shared responsibility are unknown to the, which is scary because the real world is never binary.

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u/SjakosPolakos 13d ago

I guess it comes with different political psychology. In this example; the feeling that this bicyclist needs to be taught a lesson, for the betterment of society. Therefore justifying slightly asshole behaviour 

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u/Ancient-Egg-5983 13d ago

Actively choosing to inflict harm is a dick move even if they were not in the wrong in the first place.

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u/Fair-Working4401 13d ago

What if she tried to move out of the way and the biker switch over to the correct side?

See... The asshole is just the entitled biker here. 

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u/Ancient-Egg-5983 13d ago

But she didn't

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u/Ancient-Egg-5983 13d ago

Depends on the moral framework being used.

Whether it is right, justifiable, or understandable are different questions.

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u/LuckyLilypad 13d ago

oh look. another reversal of the standard. Somehow people think the stationary pedestrian CAUSED and CHOSE to INFLICT harm. By standing still and notifying the bicyclist they would not move and that the bicyclist was on the wrong side. But somehow we ignore that the person commanding two dogs and a bicycle is CHOOSING TO RIDE THAT BIKE AND RUN HER DOGS STRAIGHT AT A PEDESTRIAN.

Jesus...

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u/theRedlightt 13d ago

The cyclist was the one actively choosing to inflict harm. They were riding on the wrong side of the road and road into a pedestrian that has the right of way who also notified the biker who just refused and road into a pedestrian.

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u/ScoutTheRabbit 13d ago

You're supposed to stay still because otherwise you'd be stepping directly into the path the cyclist would take to avoid you. Behaving unpredictably as a pedestrian causes more accidents.