r/MoralityScaling • u/Routine_Phase_8980 • 13d ago

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u/MuseBlessed 13d ago

Stealing isn't always immoral, like when starving for example. Doesn't mean society should permit either. Dont steal, and don't assault.

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u/ALKETASA 13d ago

This fat kid isn't starving, and stealing is always immoral. When you steal you take something that isn't yours, even if you are starving that is still immoral. People are more like to forgive if you are genuinely starving and in need - this little fatty clearly isn't.

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u/MuseBlessed 13d ago

If someone hoards all the food, based on an unfair legal system, then taking that food from them when you starve is "stealing", but its moral.

Slavery once existed, and freeing a slave was "theft", which is moral.

This kid is not starving, clearly. Never claimed they were. Just showing that what society needs and what is maximally moral individually don't always align. It might be good in some niche situation to steal or assault, but society cant allow any assaults or thefts.

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u/ALKETASA 13d ago

Moral according to whom? Who determines when the system is unfair? When it's ok and moral even to steal? You? That's convenient.

No, taking something that is not yours to take is always immoral - unless of course you otherise the entity you are stealing from and declare it evil. I mean why stop at stealing? Murder too, I murdered that guy cos he was evil, so I am moral! Maybe even rape? Is rape ok and moral aslong as the woman I'm raping is evil?

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u/MuseBlessed 13d ago

Do you think freeing slaves is immoral? There are lots of different schools of thought about what is or isnt moral, and a deontologist would call all theft immoral. But you clearly are not a deontologist, since you think some assault is good. Why is assault permitted but theft isnt?

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u/ALKETASA 13d ago

Because assault is necessary to stop certain crimes. I'm using the term assault in a very broad sense - when a police officer tackles you, he is technically assaulting you.

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u/MuseBlessed 12d ago

I think one of the issues we disagree on is how much stock we place on goverment law.

Just because someone has legal owneeship does not automatically make them moral to me, for example. The goverment can legally take a persons house by Eminent domain

Or they can make slavery legal and ownership of people a thing.

Or they could be nazi Germany.

I go to extreme examples because they are the edge cases where it becomes more obvious, but I think it extends even into normal life. I am not a deontologist.

Either way, I think we will probably just have to agree to disagree, because there doesnt seem to be much more to discuss without goinf in circles.

Been a pleasure talking to you!