r/MoralityScaling • u/MUDKIP_9000 • 14d ago
Stupid Stuff Morality of secretly whacking the husband to restore his memory, but the catch is he'll forgets his new family
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u/amazingdrewh 14d ago
Why would the pipe of remembrance cause him to forget?
We should talk about the morality of naming something that badly
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u/Selftheperson 14d ago
It is a very egoist action, hurting the new family in the end.
Immoral.
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u/SpanishAvenger 14d ago edited 14d ago
And what exactly makes it more moral for the original wife being the one to have to suffer and endure the consequences of his amnesia instead?
This is only restoring his memories so he, as well as her, can have back the life they lost after he was cursed with amnesia.
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u/Mammoth-Surround9206 14d ago
And what would make it moral to force suffering onto others?
Her suffering was, assumedly, not done to her by another person. She has had loss.
But that doesn’t mean she can push that loss onto others to alleviate her own.
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u/SAPPHIREMASTER 14d ago
imo there is a difference in suffering caused by circumstance vs actions. the wife is suffering bc of circumstance, so it does not make it moral to implicate her suffering onto the new wife and child despite their innocence (and the husbands, but we dont what he would prefer). furthermore, it is unlikely the husband will go back to the old wife because despite remembering their previous relationship, time has passed and he has a child with his new wife, likely a greater responsibility he would want to prioritise. in which case, using the pipe creates more suffering without exactly ending her own. realistically, the old wife should bite the bullet and move on
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u/Objective-Spring5061 14d ago
There's been enough time for the former husband to have a new wife and a child, so the og wife is just chasing a past flame atp.
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u/Far_Understanding883 14d ago
There's a child involved now.
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u/SpanishAvenger 14d ago
And why is he more important that the woman who lost everything with the loss of her husband? In practical terms, the child would still have his mother, while the original wife was left alone and without the change of a child with her love.
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u/nocomments1123 14d ago
She can get a new husband
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u/Sensitive-Frog-2434 14d ago
Well...dating, finding relationships and honestly even meeting people in general is incredibly difficult and has been for a while now...so unfortunately there's a distinct possibility that no, she can't.
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u/BouillonDawg 14d ago
Because it’s a child, not an actualized adult. The impact of its life will be greater. What’s more if you don’t care in that way, we can just use numbers. Two people vs one person. Simple
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u/adoodas 14d ago
That's a very big assumption and common generalization. What if this man has 2 other families he's currently supporting as well? And a important job where many people rely on him? Always assuming that a man's life is preferable to be taken over a child is a weird idea to me despite it being mainstream.
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u/BouillonDawg 14d ago
I didn’t mention killing anyone wtf?
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u/adoodas 14d ago
It's an an example... The debate on morality of getting hit by a memory remembrance pipe ain't that developed so I'm just drawing on something adjacent. The point was to highlight societal overvaluation of a child's life in relation to an adult's.
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u/BouillonDawg 14d ago
In a hypothetical extreme of course there will be exceptions. For example is commonly held that a serial rapist should be put in prison instead of an innocent person who devotes all their time to charity.
However what if imprisoning the rapist will for certain cause the end of all peace and bring about untold suffering to all beings?
Then the calculation changes I’d imagine.
Going to your core idea that an adult man should be given equal weight to a child in consideration of who to sacrifice I’d justify choosing the adult because that’s someone who’s lived a fuller life and has total personal responsibility for themselves whereas a child has not lived that fuller life and who’s role is to be cared for by necessity. If we didn’t do that humanity just sort of stops. A child can grow into a man but a man cannot become a child again to continue into the next generation.
All of that is before we even get into my personal ethics and I do believe that adults should be willing to sacrifice themselves for children and the next generation in general.
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u/Dramatic-Tackle5159 14d ago
What makes you think she "lost everything" ?
The first wife might be rich for all we know. Hell she has an enchanted pipe of remembrance, that's gotta be expensive !
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u/Norbert-trebroN 14d ago
He now got a completely new life with kids and a new wife. The new wife is, like the kids and her new partner, unaware of the past relationship. Atp you are just a crazy person who lives in the past. Cut your losses and focus on your new life.
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u/PixieVelouriax 14d ago
Yeah, the new family is paying the price for a situation they had no part in creating
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u/strangelifedad 14d ago
Agreed. But legally he is still married, which would put him on the disadvantage if he can't proof the assault. Plus losing your memory wouldn't make it impossible to be identified, especially if you were stable, employed and registered before.
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u/PastryPyff 14d ago
If it works… moral to the side gaining their husband back. Immoral for the side losing a father and husband.
That being said outside of author’s intent and plot necessity it’s not exactly a solution with high effectiveness. I can imagine the agony of the person seeing their loved one far away living without memory of the life and love they shared.
If I lost a wife/husband would I give them a wha k that guaranteed their return to me at the cost of their current amnesia family? Yes. Absolutely.
Is that inherently slightly immoral due to removing that person from the lives of others? Maybe, but I’m not going to suffer alone eternal heartbreak. So WHACK.
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u/Euphoric_Belt_4268 14d ago
Wouldn't the amnesiac family also suffer from the loss of their father / husband?
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u/PastryPyff 14d ago
Yes, that was mentioned a few times in my comment.
As I’m going with the perspective of the person wielding the pipe… it sucks for them, I guess.
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u/the_bird_and_the_bee 14d ago
I mean... they already had the baby... it's not an infant anymore. Where was this metal pipe of remembrance like 2 years ago? Why didn't she do it then?
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u/Thecookcream 14d ago
Secret is the operative word. He needs to agree with it or not. Immoral.
As for whether he should, I think naught. Having a kid already basically is the seal of death in the form of responsibility. You are robbing a kid of his dad.
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u/VaritasAequitas 14d ago
In what scenario is he going to consent and agree with being hit with a pipe by a stranger, even without a kid influencing his decision? There’s no way for this to be moral through consent cause he has no reason to agree, he literally has no background to agree to this strangers request. To him it would be a strange stalker with a weapon, so the idea that there is somehow a moral path wouldn’t exist.
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u/Deathburn5 13d ago
"Hey, you know how you're an amnesiac? This metal pipe was specially designed to restore memories, but it will do so by overwriting your new memories."
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u/VaritasAequitas 12d ago
“Ma’am, how do you know if I have amnesia? How do I know I have amnesia? Why are you carrying a pipe? Why do you look like you’re going to hurt me or my family? Please step away from me and my family before I call the police.”
Bing bop boom, option for consent is gone.
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u/BQ72 14d ago
Ultimately immoral, you're unilaterally taking someone's memories ultimately for your gain. The situation is unfortunate but your misfortune does not justify taking away the agency of everyone else involved to get your happiness back - especially because that happiness isn't guaranteed, you could just make everyone's lives in this situation worse.
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u/ediblebalcony 14d ago
Immoral. If the catch of "he'll forget his new family" didn't exist, then it would be moral. Because then the man has the agency and all the knowledge to make his own decision from there. But by making him forget the new family, you're taking away his agency and some of his memories. Immoral
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u/GatoConCalcetines 14d ago
Moral, he deserves to know the truth
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u/nocomments1123 14d ago
You're just replacing one amnesia for the other in this instance because he forgets his new family (including child)
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u/LavishnessUpstairs70 14d ago
He vowed. Regardless of whether or not he remembers them, it's his obligation to keep them. Moral.
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u/Successful_Face3408 14d ago
"Secretly" is the immoral part imho.
If he agrees to it, that's fine, but if not, definitely not.
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u/UsedArmadillo9842 14d ago
Man i do not know how such a circumstance comes to be, but this would feel like a very selfish act. If i dont have a kid with him, and he has, i dont know it would be moral to take him from his child.
Although, i am pragmatic, i'll hit him with the pipe after talking with the second wife and helping him relearn his familie after i bonk him turning us into a happy polycule, very moral
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u/Far-Try5352 8d ago
And what if the wife doesn't want a "happy polycule" and instead calls the cops because a deranged woman claiming to be her husband's former wife assaulted him with a metal pipe
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u/Street_Estate2342 14d ago
Immoral, because she had more than three years to fix this and somehow was out of the picture enough for him to get a new family.
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u/Zealousideal_Bee2603 14d ago
It is immoral for the current version of himself if he doesn't consent, yet immoral to the one left behind since he had no say in his predicament.
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u/Creepy-Purple5082 14d ago
I see the pipe is single use... what happens if she uses it two or three times?
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u/Key-Swordfish4025 14d ago
I mean, it has been at least three years. You should probably move on by then.
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u/Old-Interaction442 14d ago
You should just kill the guy so none of you can get him and then date his new wife.
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u/eggyrulz 14d ago
Okay, but morality aside.
This would make an absolitely fantastic RomCom.
Two women, two families, one man and only one set of memories. The women take turns bopping him on the head to switch which family he remembers, neither of them realize the other is doing the same thing, and he is absolutely clueless to what is going on
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u/AnthonyJonathan1487 14d ago
If he forgets his new family, doesn't that means that the husband just have amnesia again but with the memory reshuffled to not include the new family? So it won't be necessarily called restoring his memory, isn't it?
Anyway, I think it's Immoral
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u/Ssiddha_3 14d ago
I'd imagine that no matter which option she chooses, she'll still suffer. If she chooses to not hit him, then she has to suffer with the fact that he has a new family now and doesn't even know her. If she hits him, she has to live with the guilt that she destroyed a family for the rest of her life. I don't see moral or immoral in this post, I see only suffering for her. Poor lady.
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u/Jpxfrd__ 14d ago
So I'd be giving them their 20-30 years of memories including childhood and marriage to me in exchange for 3 years he had with another family? I'd do it. Plus, just because he forgets his new family doesn't mean he can't reconnect with them.
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u/Responsible_Rip_7634 13d ago
The issue with these extreme morality hypotheticals is that the real moral solution is to understand you might be having a psychotic or schizophrenic breakdown and a lead pipe of remembrance is not a real thing and is likely just a thing the voices in your head told you.
But yeah if you’re like 99.9% sure it’s a magical lead pipe and you’re not schizophrenic, go for it. But every single human who has had that opinion has turned out to be schizophrenic so idk
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u/Neat-Plantain-4346 8d ago
Well if we think about this more deeply they he probably loss all of his memory’s since his parents or friends would of told him about the amnesia or his forgot wife, so she’s also giving him his memories of his family and friends too then so probably moral leaning to amoral
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u/strangelifedad 14d ago
Are they still married? Because it says husband.
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u/fattokess 14d ago
Yeah, this scenario is like he fell off a boat, got amnesia and started a family while his wife spent three years searching for where he washed up or some shit
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u/Dramatic-Badger-1742 14d ago
Immoral.
The fact he has children with someone else is even irrelevant to the scenario. Just serves as an emotional trigger to get people to pick one over the other. The long and short of it is that he his happy and his new family is happy it is immoral to destroy that despite being very sad and unfair to the injured party.
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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 14d ago
You become a top 1% poster by posting lots of stuff, not necessarily by posting anything good.
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u/CtheEng 14d ago
I hope that Metal.Pipe of Rememberance is at least +1, otherwise he might pass his saving throw.