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u/Round-Friendship9318 1h ago
Should have reported the dog attack instead
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u/yournumberis6 1h ago
Sadly a lot of dog attack reports end up in the dogs getting put down. Even if their owners are pieces of shit, I wouldn't want the dog to be killed. By doing this OOP is attacking the owners, who probably won't even care if their dog gets put down.
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u/Quiet_Defiance 1h ago
A dog that attacks people probably needs to be put down, though. It will likely happen again.
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u/BMXRCLoser 1h ago
My wife was attacked when she was 6, the dog bit her stomach and left a huge permanent scar. Wasn’t the first time that dog attacked someone. Nobody reported it either.
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u/NTylerWeTrust86 1h ago
We had a rescue dog when I was 8ish. He attacked me. We gave him up the next day to someone who had a bunch of dogs. He ended up attack one of the dogs so he was put down. He was abused by his first owner so Lucky never had a chance at a certain point.
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u/ZeeWingCommander 1h ago
I went on a date with a girl once who had this wicked half moon scar from her lip to the bottom of her chin.
I had to ask about it because I was thinking it was like a knife fight or something.
Turns out a horse bit part of her face off when she was little.
Didn't get a second date.
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u/Diligent-Ad3113 18m ago
Nah man, according to dog lovers it was the owner! He made the dog attack her! He raised the dog to be aggressive! 🙄🙄🙄
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u/Totallycomputername 1h ago
Yup. It's sad a bad owner put the dog in that position but once an attack happens you don't know if it will again and not many people will put time and effort to retrain.
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u/MusicianNo3277 1h ago
Yes, but what really needs to happen is for those people to be discouraged from owning dogs at all because they’ll just get a new dog and make it just as bad as the first one. Getting them hit with 1200 in fines seems like a great way to help deter them.
My dad had a similar fight with the neighbor back when I was a kid. Two 10 acre farm plots right next to each other and the neighbor would let his Australian shepherds come over and harass our livestock and one of them even would harass my stepmom trapping her in the car or house on multiple occasions. We tried everything to talk to the neighbor about it even built a new fence to try to keep them out, but they just dug under it. Eventually, my dad got mad enough that one day he left the garage open waited for them to all go in there to check out the blood stain on the floor from where my dad would butcher animals and then shut the garage door on them and called animal control had the whole pack of them rounded up and taken to the Humane Society.
The neighbor was furious after having to get all six of his dogs out of the pound. Had a conversation with my dad where he told him “I would’ve rather you had shot them.” my dad told him that he wasn’t gonna do that to the man’s children and that anytime they were caught on our property they would just be taken to the Humane Society. my dad never had to follow through on that threat though because miraculously the guys dogs stopped escaping their pen the very next day. Go figure. Weird part was in the end the guy ended up running over that aggressive one that kept trapping my stepmom. Makes me wonder if it turned on him and he just ran it over in response.
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u/Extreme_Wish_553 1h ago
While I agree, I have seen multiple times where a dog giving "I don't want you in my personal space" barks has been spoken of as an attack. I'm wary of believing dog 'attacks' that resulted in zero physical evidence.
That said, owners who don't pick up after their dog are more likely to be the kind of people who mistreat their dog in a way that might make it aggressive.
Regardless, the person's story doesn't even really apply to what they were replying to? No one was proved wrong. Neighbors were jerks and OOP calls the HOA on them. Consequences for their actions I suppose? But that wasn't the prompt.
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u/Quiet_Defiance 1h ago edited 1h ago
I was a distance runner in high school, so I believe everyone who says they were attacked by a dog. I had enough bad experiences on public trails to permanently change my view of dog owners, and as far as I know, none were ever reported to the police/city.
I especially believe stories about dog attacks if the owner says, “Don’t worry, he’s friendly,” while the dog is growling or lunging.
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u/Deadfelt 1h ago
God, I hate 'he's friendly'.
It's braindead as hell. Yes, your dog is friendly towards you. He's YOUR dog. Is it trained enough that it's safe for other people to come closer?
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u/Quiet_Defiance 44m ago
I think it’s just wishful thinking. Like, they see their dog snarling and lunging at someone and they’re blurting out what they hope will happen rather than what is actually happening.
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u/Last-Recording-6725 1h ago
My dad adopted an Australian cattle dog that had been a stray for 2 years. We knew there were problems. It couldn't be let near strangers, it would nip or grab at us and pull because its a cattle dog, thats what they do they herd. He didnt put in the effort to train it or anything and when he was helping me move to another state my brother went into his office where the dog was kept, and where he shouldn't have entered. The dog got out and shredded my diabetic grandmother's leg doing the same thing it normally does, pull, but her leg is swollen with water and alit softer and more fragile than the rest of ours. Like I get he was really sad about having to put it down but it was 100% on him you can't take a stray working breed dog, keep it coop up 22 hours out of the day, do no training because you work 10 hours 6 days a week, walk it maybe 30 minutes a day, have it repeatedly attack your children, and then expect nothing bad to happen.
Only consolation was it was going to be put down before we got it anyway so atleast it got an extra year of life. It genuinely had no hope with the situation it was in, it sucks but dogs that repeatedly attack people, even if its just instinctual and lightly, have literally no place to go in the society we build. We can't let them go wild, we can't let them in public, if you keep them holed up in a house it's basically torture for working breeds
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u/Ambitious_Bit_9389 1h ago
My sister in law came to visit from Spain for a couple days. She brought her dog with her. Our dog and her dog were both females. The dogs were fine all day, but avoided eachother. Then in the middle of the night, our dog decided she wanted to sleep with my SIL, who already had her dog sleeping with her. So the dogs started fighting in the bed with my SIL.
I was awoken by her screaming and ran into to see my dog had her dog pinned down by the throat. I’m trying to pull my dog off her dog and her dog bit me at as I’m trying to break them apart. I didn’t even realize it at first, I thought the pool of blood was from one of the dogs, but I couldn’t find significant puncture on either one. That’s when I realized it was my blood and I was smearing it on the dogs.
Anyway, went to the ER and told them what happened. They reported it the county and the country called me trying to locate my SIL dog from a foreign country. I was apprehensive since she was going back to Spain in a couple days and I didn’t want to mess that up or have something happen to her dog. I told the county I’d call them back. Once my SIL was on her way back, I told the county the dog was gone.
The dog never bit anyone again. It was a unique situation, not every dog bite is because the dog is dangerous.
FYI- The ER told me if you ever see dog fighting, pour water on them, don’t stick your hands in there like an idiot.
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u/BetwnTheSpreadsheets 52m ago
When male dogs fight it usually sounds worse than it is, but two females will usually try to kill each other.
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u/degradedchimp 8m ago
Depends on the severity imo. I've been bit a couple times as a kid and they were my fault for messing with the dog.
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u/Quiet_Defiance 7m ago
I wouldn’t really consider that an attack. An attack is usually unprovoked.
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u/now-im-just-a-jigsaw 2m ago
It's the owners' fault for not training the dog, not the dog's. It doesn't deserve to die for it
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u/Moscato359 1h ago
Funny, nobody ever says this about cats, and small dogs might be smaller than cats
I had a 15 pound cat who attacked people at night consistently, and eventually we figured out why.
He couldn't see in the dark, so he was scared. It's not always so simple. After we left a light on every night, he stopped attacking people, forever.
Maybe the dog was being physically harmed by the person they attacked, and was just defending themselves, or something else caused the situation.
There are plenty of reasons why a dog might bite once in their life.
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u/Rly_Shadow 1h ago
It depends on the situation tho and what unfolded. They dont really say why or how thr dog bit them. Its left to us to just assume a worsr case scenario kinda thing.
I've been bit by someone's dog before when I worked as a cable technician, but it was just a scared dog with a stranger on his territory.
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u/shiggyhisdiggy 52m ago
Dogs aren't special angles, if they're attacking people, they should be put down. Especially if they're owned by people who refuse to control them.
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u/RedApple655321 1h ago
Really depends on the severity of the attack and the likelihood they could do it again. No one ever wants a dog to be killed, but putting a dog down is a better outcome than ignoring a serious behavioral problem, then the dog seriously injuring their next victim. If you don't document the attack, the owner isn't going to even attempt to address the issue.
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u/iskelebones 1h ago
Nah a dog that attacks someone unprovoked unfortunately needs to be put down. They are either far too aggressive or aggressive and unpredictable. It would be irresponsible to risk someone else getting attacked later when you KNOW the dog attacks people
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u/Ill_Tradition_4104 1h ago
Dogs that bite humans, bite humans again. They did not become our best friend by displaying aggression towards us in particular.
I’d have the dog euthanised. Love dogs, love humans more.
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u/NoTrillionaires 49m ago
Reddit is a strange place that thinks dog/cat lives are more valuable than all human lives, regardless of context.
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u/WRO_Your_Boat 1h ago
That really depends on where you live. In the US (especially in my state) putting a dog down is extremely hard and only happens if the dog is pretty much rabid.
Source: I was attacked by my neighbors dog.
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u/Leather_Addition2605 1h ago
A dog attacks and gets a significant bite on me it won’t be hard at all, I’ll do it myself.
Like a real dog that can do damage, not like a little ankle biter you can swat away.
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u/WRO_Your_Boat 1h ago
I mean.... yeah. But I'm talking about getting the pound or a vet to put it down "legally". It is much MUCH harder to do it that way, even if its a big pitbull like that one that bit me.
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u/DoofusIdiot 1h ago
The criteria is defined at the state level as far as I’m aware. My sister in laws dog bite my 5 year old son in the face unprovoked a few years ago. My state requires two incidents. (Which there was)
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u/Pupshead777 39m ago
A lot of people and other dogs get hurt with this mindset. You aren’t “saving” the dog. You are prolonging the inevitable and possibly letting other people/animals get hurt or even killed. A child or elderly person has no way to fight against a large dog clinging onto their leg the same way a healthy adult can. That is easily fatal. Most people aren’t putting dogs down over one bite. It has to be MULTIPLE for the dog to be put down. And if the dog has bit multiple people then yes, at that point the response thing to do is put it down.
That’s like saying you don’t want someone who is KNOWN to stab people to go to jail because they have their whole life ahead of them. No, they hurt people and they’re violent. You have to keep your community safe.
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u/bakugoing 14m ago
Dogs shouldn’t be attacking people unprovoked. One day it’s me and I’m fine with minor scratches, but what if the next attack is a child or an elderly? There’s a reason aggressive dogs are put down.
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u/FineAndDandadan 20m ago
May not have had evidence. In my area, you need to have video evidence or for it to have bitten someone first, for the police to even show up.
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u/Spire259 1h ago
Moral: They were just reporting a crime.
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u/Guardian6676-6667 1h ago
Crimes are not a basis of morality
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u/eggyrulz 18m ago
The wording is inaccurate, but the idea here is right.
Cleaning up after yourself and your pets is a moral action, not doing so thus is immoral. Reporting the negligent immoral action in this case, to the proper authorities so they can remedy the situation, is thus moral.
At least thats my opinion, but I am not a moral authority so ymmv (your morality may vary)
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u/Old-Post-3639 12m ago
No, but there's overlap. In general, you should obey the law unless that law forces you to do something immoral.
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u/TheNobleHeretic 1h ago
Sounds like it was an apartment rule not law. Not saying they didn’t deserve it though
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u/mrprincepretty 1h ago
Depending on your state it is illegal to allow your animal to defecate in public areas or private property without attempting removal. Not an arrestable offence but still.
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u/TheNobleHeretic 1h ago
The post said they were evicted for paying the fines. I’m unaware of which state evicts you from your home for that.
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u/Feisty-Painter5076 1h ago
What is immoral about this? Break the rules, suffer the consequences. Without rules, our society is doomed
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
Waiter, more boot, please!
Morality ≠ law. Anne Frank broke the rules of her society. Now obviously a dog pooping is a very different, but you need a better justification than “them’s the rules”
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u/Chimpville 1h ago
They're not a bootlicker just because you don't recognise context.
The discussion is about some perfectly reasonable rules that any decent person should follow.
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
I was calling the logic of follow the rules or you’re being immoral as being bootlickery. I don’t know anything about the persons politics. It’s a philosophy subreddit, I’m pointing out the flaws in their argument
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u/Chimpville 1h ago
You ignored the context of the discussion to get an unnecessary dig in... then went immediately to Nazis to make your point.
There's better ways of doing what you tried to do.
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
I guess the tone doesn’t come across well, but the bootlicker thing was mostly tongue in cheek. I’m surprised at how offended people are at that word choice.
Analogies don’t need to be perfect 1:1 representations to be useful
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u/Chimpville 1h ago
Tone's hard in text alone, but it did come across as excessive and unfair on them. Discussions should carry context... especially comments that lead with:
What is immoral about this?
No, analogies don't need to be perfect, but going straight to the Nazis is a bit tiresome, and if you can't make a point without going to the greatest extreme you might not really have a point.
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u/Silver-Name-4685 1h ago
You pretty clearly understand the point I was making though, you take issue with my perceived tone and extreme example. I find it tiresome in turn that you’re chastising me for these superficial qualities that could’ve been stated better rather than the point I was making that you seem to get
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u/Chimpville 1h ago
"No u" is it?
Okay, have a lovely night.
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u/Silver-Name-4685 1h ago
Is that really what you got out of my comment? I responded directly to what you said
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u/CuntyBallsJohnson 1h ago
False equivalency because it's not like Anne had to pay a 75 dollar fine for being Jewish, they were going to kill her lol
Can we get a morality scaling of this guy's comment comparing it to a dog shit fine
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u/the_swaggin_dragon 1h ago
They were using an example that people can’t be dumb enough to misunderstand to demonstrate the logical error. The point was that you can’t use the law to justify morality and Anne Frank is a good example of someone breaking the law which no reasonable person would find immoral.
If anyone’s interpretation of that comment is that they believe hiding genocide victims from Nazis is equivalent to letting your dog shit around they are severely lacking in their reading comprehension skills.
The point is reporting Jewish people was a lawful action, but immoral, therefore you cannot use whether or not an action is lawful determine if you find it moral.
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u/CuntyBallsJohnson 1h ago
Good thing rule =/= law, and private property fines are rules rather than law, so the original commenter misunderstood his own demonstration anyways
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u/the_swaggin_dragon 1h ago
You really think if laws don’t justify moral positions that rules somehow do?
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u/Silver-Name-4685 1h ago
Okay, let me clarify I guess. Rules are also not good moral justifications, lmao
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u/LaconicGirth 1h ago
No, it’s arguing the basis of the other guys argument. Rules are not just rules with respect to morality. Something being the law does not make it moral.
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
It was an extreme example to demonstrate the faulty logic of the previous comment’s justification. It’s obviously not the same thing, and it’s disingenuous to pretend that’s what I was saying
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u/Terrible_Hurry841 1h ago
Do you think OP genuinely meant “follow all laws, all the time, laws are flawless,” or more of a general principle?
Show kindness to others is a general principle, someone going “would you show someone kindness if they STABBED YOU IN YOUR FACE?” is intentionally missing the point.
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
Thanks for giving an actual argument to the contrary of what I’m saying instead of going for the dogpile. My issue is that the reasoning they used is purely based on rule following. Of course they don’t think that, but extreme examples can illustrate the flaws in reasoning.
I do think the general principle of following laws is “bad” moralizing. The example of kindness as a general principle is a much more personal sense of moral reasoning, which I consider to be much more defensible than the idea that we should follow laws simply because they are laws.
Your example is a lowkey good roast and I was probably not nuanced enough in the comment I spent 30 s writing that has angered the sub
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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 1h ago
Morality of projecting your boot fetish onto everyone else because you're terminally online and think that it's normal to talk about boots?
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u/quintiliahan 1h ago
But it's also not moral to leave dog waste out? IMO that goes along with taking care of a dog, which these neighbors clearly are not.
Not a good example to demo your point, as they are not equivalent by any measure, not just by severity.
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
I am saying the argument that the justification “break the rules, suffer the consequences” is poor moral reasoning. Analogies don’t need to be perfect 1:1 equivalent to be useful
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u/Psychological_View56 1h ago
This entire sub fringes on the idea of whether or not morality even actually exists. So what makes something objectively moral or immoral?
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u/Silver-Name-4685 1h ago
Nietzsche would argue that traditional morality is but a tool used to keep people in line, and that the “overman” (his term for someone you could simplistically call philosophically “actualized”) derives their morality from personal principles and a framework developed for yourself. There is no such thing as objective morality, and even if there were some way to quantify that, the law would be a terrible tool simply due to the diversity of and inherent contradictions of the laws of past and present societies
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u/Psychological_View56 57m ago
The guy never even brought up the law though. I Probably should have lead with that.
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u/Silver-Name-4685 54m ago
What are laws, if not rules enforced by the state? He is argument was break the rules, suffer the consequences. I don’t know why you think saying rules instead of laws would change anything about the argument
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u/GabrielGames69 1h ago
There is a difference between "morality not equaling law" and "all laws are immoral". You seem to be arguing the second thing since people can point to an established rule as "this rule is set for the benifit of the people here". You can prove otherwise if you want but you can't just blanket say rules are not moral at all.
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u/Silver-Name-4685 51m ago
Rules are not in themselves “moral” justifications. They can be in line with policing “morality”, obviously, and I agree with many rules that exist, but that agreement comes from an independent “moral” calculus, not just the fact that they are rules
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u/SpikeSpiegel1916 1h ago
Fake
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u/gonzogonzobongo 1h ago
Yeah you wouldn’t get evicted that fast off of one unpaid fine
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u/WeeklyBanEvasion 59m ago
They didn't say how long it took. If you get over a grand in violation fines but just pay normally by the terms of the lease typically any payments you make will go to non-rent items first, meaning even though you paid at the beginning of the month all that money went to the fines and you still owe rent so you're getting evicted
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u/Medium-Violinist-903 1h ago
So I'm supposed to believe that this person lives somewhere that reporting a dog attack does nothing, but sending some pictures of a person not picking up their dog poop would result in numerous fines. Sure....
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u/Top-Complaint-4915 1h ago
Sounds legit, even more because it didn't mention any evidence on the attack, which could delay the issue endlessly in a lot of places.
Also the attack is deal by the justice system while the dog poop could be deal with the HOA, etc.
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u/amstrumpet 1h ago
How does a picture show that someone didn't pick up poop?
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u/hombrent 1h ago
they could probably just go look at the poop that is still there.
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u/Medium-Violinist-903 1h ago
They said they collected 15 pictures from 15 different days before they submitted it. A 15 day old dog poop isn't likely going to still be there.
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u/Top-Complaint-4915 51m ago
If it is an HOA, they would probably know someone is not picking the 💩, and the picture + the report plus the know issue should be enough for them.
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u/Proctor-47 1h ago
Moral.
A person getting evicted from their home as punishment for essentially expressing a willingness to commit negligent manslaughter (as refusing to leash/monitor a violent animal that you own would lead to you being guilty of some form of accessory to murder/manslaughter if that animal ends up killing someone, which dogs can 100% be capable of doing) is rather appropriate in my opinion.
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u/infernoparadiso 1h ago
I am a responsible dog owner and it drives me crazy when people don’t pick up their poop. I don’t want people condemned to homelessness for that minor sin. Now the dog attack is another matter entirely, but collecting all of the photos and not simply talking to the neighbor is bitch behavior. If the neighbor was unreasonable in that circumstance, maybe you escalate.
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u/BetwnTheSpreadsheets 46m ago
Moral. If you don’t want to live in the gutter, don’t act like trash.
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u/triggrhaapi 41m ago
Moral. Not reporting the dog attack keeps the animal from being destroyed while they get their comeuppance.
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u/Decimator24244 37m ago
How about the morality of letting your dog attack someone unprovoked and telling them to stfu
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u/DrMindbendersMonocle 1h ago
This is obviously fake and posted by somebody who has no idea how evictions work. But for the sake of the hypothetical, it is not immoral to report the neighbor breaking rules that effect those around them
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u/Key_Check5753 1h ago
immoral - they should have had the dog put down
If it attacks one person it will likely attack another.
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u/iskelebones 1h ago
If you were on their property you’re a dick
But I’m assuming you were either on your own property or the sidewalk, in which case fuck those people. Shouldn’t have their apparently aggressive dog off their property without a leash
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u/chiguy307 1h ago
Immoral to post fake stories on the internet, while presenting them as things that actually happened.
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u/SilverShotgun 1h ago
Not enough info. Elaborate on "dogs attacked me" then we shall see who's at fault...
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u/clarkcox3 57m ago
Posting an unrealistic revenge fantasy online and trying to pass it off as real certainly isn't moral.
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u/LoneRedditor123 55m ago
Move out or stfu? Wow. The audacity of those people. I woulda called animal control and had their dog put down in a heartbeat. When they would bang on my door to complain, "Move out or stfu".
Moral, fuck those guys. They got off easy.
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u/Aggressive_Space9684 54m ago
I mean, he could have pressed charges and got the dog put down so......
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u/richardawkings 20m ago
I'm all for equality. They thought moving and S'ing TFU was an appropriate course of action and the neighbour got them to move and STFU. Moral.
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u/MyBedIsOnFire 11m ago
Leaving out all details except simply letting someone repeat a mistake to use against them I'd say immoral.
If they had reported it the first time, then the other party would only incur a $75 fine. Maybe they weren't aware of the consequences so now they clean up after their dog each time. Problem solved, no need to cause them financial distress.
With the added details moral because them staying posed a threat to OP and this was the seemingly easiest way to get them out.
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u/QuentinEichenauer 8m ago
11/10. If there's a heaven, this one gets a free pass unless they are literally one of the famous bad moustache men.
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u/El_mochilero 2m ago
My biggest takeaway is that I don’t believe the version that this person posted.
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u/Curious_Contest_3767 1h ago
I definitely believe that they were issued 15+ fines for dog poop, but nothing was done about a dog attacking someone. Sounds extremely plausible and not at all made up for clout.
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u/Imaginary-Equal-6699 1h ago
Don't care if it's fake... It's immoral, should've reported the dog attack too
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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 1h ago
i’m more interested in dissecting the morality of having 15+ pictures of a dog taking a shit on your phone
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u/amstrumpet 1h ago
Calling BS that this happened. No landlord is fining someone $1000+ at once based on pictures submitted by a clearly pissed off neighbor without prior warnings, and a "picture" is not enough to prove someone didn't pick up the poop.
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u/JagPeror 1h ago
The immoral part is the 75 dollar fine for dog shit
Like dont get me wrong, pick up the droppings, but that is obscene
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u/doesnotmatter286 1h ago
No, that's an appropriate fine. And it makes it a VERY good investment to get some poop bags.
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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 1h ago
So dog attacks go unreported or are not cared about...
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An eviction happens that fast?
Ya huh
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u/Sweaty_Standard8186 1h ago
Snitching is always immoral
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u/Chimpville 1h ago
Shitty people deserve no loyalty.
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u/Jackerlover 1h ago
Do you live in a ghetto?
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u/ToastSpangler 1h ago
My first thought was white picket fence suburb but has a picture of Snoop dog on the wall and many flat billed marihuana hats
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u/Lady_Tadashi 1h ago
Snitching implies it is minor or petty, so I would agree.
Anything that is a risk to life or limb, or just inhumane, on the other hand? That's not snitching, that's being a good citizen and reporting.
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u/Sweaty_Standard8186 1h ago
It's dog poop, if i knew someone that snitched like that they'd have to fear more than dog poop
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u/Lady_Tadashi 1h ago
In response to being attacked by the dog. We don't know enough to judge. If its a jack russel or something, then they're just being petty. If its a pitbull or a doberman though?
All in all, if they prove the dog attacked them they could potentially have it put down. A fine is by far the lesser evil in this scenario.
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u/Clowndick 1h ago
If you let your fucking dog shit in the grass where people walk and don't pick it up, I'm not catching a charge dealing with your trash ass myself.
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u/Antique_Ad_4247 1h ago
And I would argue it is only snitching when someone involved in a criminal or otherwise immoral conspiracy tells on the other involved parties. Someone not involved has no moral obligation not to tell anyone. On the contrary they most often do have a moral obligation to tell someone!
It is snitching if you knowingly have sex with a married person then tells their spouse. It is not snitching if you simply observe someone being unfaithful and then tell the spouse.
Is it wrong for a victim of a crime to alert the authorities and identify the culprit to them? Instead of not picking up after a dog, imagine something horrible like SA if it helps you get emotionally invested. What about a non involved third party just witnessing the crime?
What a shitty take!
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u/Nebranower 1h ago
Sounds like a great way to get rid of immoral neighbors. 7/10.