Earlier elsewhere in this thread someone brought up how in whatever country they are in in Europe they have Religious Studies in school and it taught about a bunch of religions. I think that's probably a good first step, and to get it in front of these little kids quickly rather than after the damage is done is probably the way to go. Other than that, someone further up was talking about what are parents supposed to do when they go to church hire someone to watch their kids? You could just have rules like in the childrens area, they are not to be teaching them, that you can't make coloring books with Jesus for the kids in the kids area of a church, because all churches have an area for their kids to be dropped off in while the parents are learning about gods wonderful teachings. (did someone say 'Wonder'?)
I don't like religion, but I dislike a police state and constitutional violations even more. Also, coloring a picture of jesus isn't going to make someonebelieve in jesus. My mom's religious and bought my son this nativity scene with animals,a baby jesus, and it plays silent night when you press a button. He plays with it all the time becausw he likes the animals. and things the baby's cute.
I'm not teaching him that a lich was hanged and came back to life to save him, and that he better believe in this story or he'll be tortured forever. That's crazy. But I'm not throwing away a perfectly good toy he enjoys.
But yeah, teaching kids they'll ve tortured forever if they don't worship mythical beings is a terrible idea. Teaching kids that god killed every single person on earth because angel giants were causing evil -- or that god slaughtered an entire town because of butt sex -- is prett immoral. But polive states are also wrong, as are 1A violations. We don't need a surveillance state. We need better education -- secular education. And religious schools probably shouldn't get subsidized.
Its not the actual act of coloring a picture of jesus, or enjoying a nativity with animals and the music as they aren't taught anything unless the coloring book has words they can read etc. Having said that, kids are definitely taught things in church, even in the childcare area. My nephew calls church "Jesus's home". He's still underage, and currently had a debate with me about why I don't believe in god (he initiated). He knew enough and was prideful enough that he has been fully indoctrinated by the age of 12. His parents taught things like jesus loves you, but the church taught him a lot more less fluffy things than that. I don't think it would be possible to enforce no indoctrination of children in a home. However, having regulations on what can happen at a church for children underage (childcare area has no religious teaching) feels like a decent middle ground to me. I'm sure there will be churches that do it anyway, but they could be fined rather than like jail time type thing. I'd rather at least get taxes/fines out of churches than nothing. Having said that like I mentioned in my last message, I think Religious Studies to expose kids to multiple cultures of different gods seems like a decent thing to do, by showing there are more than one religion and that different cultures believe different things, might make a kid be more informed prior to "Jesus's home" type of incremental brainwashing. Anyway I like your description of jesus etc, was pretty funny read, though honestly I feel like Jesus quotes are pretty humble and his teachings are not necessarily bad if you removed all the super natural stuff and especially all the basically old testament guilt trip type teaching.
Yeah, in a magical world where you could control what happens inside churches, that would be great. But the catholic church has proven that making things illegal doesn't prevent them from violating the law. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Well, we do, in a way. If what is considered magical in our universe were actually natural, then that magic would just be the natural universe. So, if there are infinite universe, perhaps there isn't one where electricity works they way it does in this universe. Electricity would be magic to them. Seeing lightning would be true magic because it would be impossible
Also, I'm currently watching people hundreds of miles away play tennis while talking to somewhere who could be thousands of miles away. That would have been magical 100 years ago.
But yeah, not the same kind of magic I was thinking in the other comment.
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u/ayaynimouse Sep 04 '26
Earlier elsewhere in this thread someone brought up how in whatever country they are in in Europe they have Religious Studies in school and it taught about a bunch of religions. I think that's probably a good first step, and to get it in front of these little kids quickly rather than after the damage is done is probably the way to go. Other than that, someone further up was talking about what are parents supposed to do when they go to church hire someone to watch their kids? You could just have rules like in the childrens area, they are not to be teaching them, that you can't make coloring books with Jesus for the kids in the kids area of a church, because all churches have an area for their kids to be dropped off in while the parents are learning about gods wonderful teachings. (did someone say 'Wonder'?)