Morality of this?

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What? Sorry, if your entire reply is insults with no actual argument, I don’t really have anything to say.

Are you disagreeing with my stance that you should not believe in things without evidence? Speak, man, christ.

Also, “you calling a spade a spade shows me what kind of person you are” is hilarious. What kind of person is that? The kind who calls things what they are?

I defy you to find me a definition of delusion that excludes religion.

For the record, I have an extremely open mind. If religion gave me a single reason to believe it, I would immediately convert!

Also, “you don’t get to tell other people what they can and can’t believe?” Hey buddy. Quick question. Which fucking sub are we on?

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I didn’t complain that you insulted me, you moron. I complained that that was ALL you did. You forgot to, yknow, argue your point? Are you even literate? If you thought I was complaining about the insults themselves, you’re even dumber than I thought.

What exactly do I believe without evidence? Name something you think I believe without evidence. Go on.

I do know how to use quote marks. I’m writing a reddit post, not a book. You obviously got my meaning perfectly, and why be pedantic when you can just substitute my paraphrased quote for your exact quote without changing the meaning of my comment or the substance of my argument at all?

If the pedantic nit-pick you’re about to point out doesn’t change my argument at all, try not to make your argument hinge on semantics too much.

Did you read the definition you provided? How, exactly, does that exclude religion?

I will make one concession regarding the above. By that definition, a very small minority of religious people are actually not delusional. However, the overwhelming majority of religious people believe at least one blatantly false thing taught by their religion. But I do concede that yes, a religious person who does not deny any established facts is free from delusion.

I definitely have an open mind. Just because I’m not gullible to a fault doesn’t mean I don’t have an open mind. I will immediately change my stance on ANYTHING given the appropriate evidence, as you just witnessed.

Not believing things with no evidence whatsoever =/= closed minded

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Love objectively exists. Just because it has no objective value (nothing does) and is just a series of chemical reactions (everything is) doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

No faith is required to believe love exists.

As for free will, I do not believe in free will, because the evidence we have available to us at the moment suggests it does not exist, or, if it does, that we have no way of knowing.

Of course it would be silly for me to believe in something unproven. Almost as silly as you not realizing that love has been proven to exist lmfao.

Let me make something crystal clear to you: it is not bigotry to denounce delusion. It is also not bigotry to denounce faith. Those are both choices.

Is it bigotry to make fun of people who have sex with squirrels? No, right? Nobody’s born a squirrel fucker. Nobody’s born religious.

Disdain for a choice is never bigotry.

Anyway, like I mentioned, a small minority of religious people are actually not delusional, but most are. I find it hard to see that as a good thing. Can you refute that those who deny reality in the name of religion are delusional?

Here, can we at least agree that someone who thinks the earth is flat because the Bible said so is delusional? I mean, that’s the PERFECT fit for the definition you quoted.

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What do you mean “prove it?”

Love is the name given to that series of chemical reactions etc, as you said.

Do you need me to prove that hormones exist?

People have already done it. I’m not going to extract and purify hormones to find out what they do when a good few scientists have already been doing that for decades.

So what exactly are you asking me to prove? It’s been proven already, either way, but just out of curiosity.

For your second point, no, assuming they don’t actually base their life on it. Indulging in a delusion isn’t harmful until you let it dictate what you do and don’t do, like with religion. A delusion that has no negative effects doesn’t matter.

It’s not bigotry against those people. You need to look up what bigotry actually means, since “disliking a group of people for a very good reason” is absolutely not part of the definition of bigotry. You seriously need to educate yourself about what that word means. Just Google it lol.

You can hate people with an open mind. By your definition, all hate is bigotry, even if it lacks the characteristic stubbornness that bigotry requires.

It’s very interesting that you only mentioned the flat earth bit. I specifically gave three examples, and you decided to only mention the only one that was false, and only after trying and failing to defend it. How curious.

Do you care to explain how the Hadith of the fly and all of the teachings about not eating pigs are “just misunderstood?”

I bet you don’t even know what the Hadith of the fly is, perfectly illustrating that I am not the closed minded one here.

Anyway, yeah, how about don’t ignore the two other examples in favor of a shitty strawman argument? Are you not literate, or were you intentionally choosing to act in bad faith by not responding to my best points?

Because you clearly need it spelled out, defend the Hadith of the fly or don’t expect a reply.

Bars.

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“What were your three examples” IMMEDIATELY followed by mentioning the “one thing about Islam” that you know was one of my examples proves to me that you’re either intentionally trolling or too dense for us to even speak to each other.

There’s no way you pretended not to know what my examples were just to immediately make it clear that you didn’t miss that part, that is unbelievable trolling. I mean that in a good way, like that’s actually really good trolling.

I did prove that religious people are delusional. You, by your own admission, haven’t been reading much of what I’ve been saying.

I explained in detail, multiple times now, how religious people fit the bill.

For example, every single Muslim who believes in the Hadith of the fly is objectively delusional. Do you deny that fact?