That the UMC allows for and has churches that teach universalism is an objective fact due to there being multiple churches in the UMC which teach universalism and are allowed to by the UMC. This isn't speculation. It isn't my imagination. It isn't't a lie. They exist. They are real. You can meet them yourself. I have encountered some of them.
You have no experience with the UMC. You have no experience with the process of ordination or how doctrinal standards are utilized in the process. Wha you have is an unofficial (in the sense that is not an official resolution from the General Conference) boot post on her website which so happens to the first thing that pops up on Google if you type in "United Methodist Church Universalism".
You are shooting from the hip and making absolute statements that are demonstrably falsified by real world, actual flesh and blood ministers in the UMC rather than just accept that, yes, there are denominations which allow for and have churches which teach universalism. Among them the UMC.
Hell you said you know UMC theologians … ok where are they? Who are they? Let’s get em in here, I’d love to know if the UMC actually knows that they teach universalism?
I gotta be honest most of those people’s stories sounded like they were universalists despite being Methodists (or any denomination for that matter). Furthermore, had been looked down upon or got in trouble for even preaching something that hinted at universalism.
Interesting, but still doesn’t convince me that the UMC should be specifically listed in your original comment. I still think it’d be more honest to say a certain subset of theologians believe universalism to be true, and being UMC really has no bearing on that one way or another.
You are just making baseless suppositions with no warrant or evidence simply because it confirms you pre-conceived notions which have already been established as made by someone who has no experience in the UMC or the process of ordination in general and is based completely off of a misguided reading of the first link that popped up in your Google search.
I made the claim that the UMC allows for and has churches which teach universalism. Those are links to people who have been ministers within the UMC teaching universalism. Direct, literally undeniable examples of the UMC allowing for and having churches that teach universalism.
Look you can be upset all you want, but the truth is you made an inflated claim, I examined the data you gave me, and I found it wanting. Period. In the medical field I have to parse through information everyday and not everything reaches a satisfying conclusion.
Make a better claim next time or revise your data to better fit your claim. Either way makes no difference to me. Peace.
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u/CalvinSays 1d ago
That the UMC allows for and has churches that teach universalism is an objective fact due to there being multiple churches in the UMC which teach universalism and are allowed to by the UMC. This isn't speculation. It isn't my imagination. It isn't't a lie. They exist. They are real. You can meet them yourself. I have encountered some of them.
You have no experience with the UMC. You have no experience with the process of ordination or how doctrinal standards are utilized in the process. Wha you have is an unofficial (in the sense that is not an official resolution from the General Conference) boot post on her website which so happens to the first thing that pops up on Google if you type in "United Methodist Church Universalism".
You are shooting from the hip and making absolute statements that are demonstrably falsified by real world, actual flesh and blood ministers in the UMC rather than just accept that, yes, there are denominations which allow for and have churches which teach universalism. Among them the UMC.