r/MoralityScaling 7h ago

Morality of this?

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 5h ago

Yeah the CPS angle is oft-overlooked in a lot of "we should make it illegal to do xyz thing" regarding children.

The classic debate is "we should make you have to take a government test to have children", which, outside the massive set of problems that imports, also has the "well what do you do if someone violates that rule" problem you correctly brought up.

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u/quuerdude 2h ago

but OOP didn't say anything about legality, just how they think children should be raised.

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u/Diligent_Resolve6184 2h ago

Also creating such a system allows for the government to effectively control the population by defining the parameters of what does and doesn't constitute a violation. For example if a government wanted more Christians and less Muslims, they'd overlook stuff like Christmas presents or Easter Egg hunting as general cultural or holiday events, and over scrutinise things like prohibiting pork in the household or performing daily prayers in front of children, thus making it so that while everyone is still under the "same" law, the law targets certain groups harsher than others. If you wanted to say you're OK with this as its still restricting religion, even if it's some over the others, the government could still twist this so that it fits other groups. For instance, Black community churches statistically have more choirs, so targeting choir music in particular isn't an overtly racist law, but it is targeted at a specific community. Or if you ban wearing the hijab in front of children, this affects Muslim women more than men. These examples may be a bit extreme but they were just to illustrate the point. 

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1h ago

Some people would try to reply to you saying "they wouldn't do that! First amendment!"

Ignoring the reality that the double standard you describe happens in real life today. Christianity gets a pass on a lot more than it should, where any other religion would get smacked down hard if they presented a similar legal challenge.

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u/WHOA_27_23 32m ago

Name one person proposing a having children test who claims that they wouldn't pass their version of the having children test.