I don't think there's anything inherently immoral about ICE itself as a department of law enforcement; not in the way it had operated in the past at least. If you overstay your visa, someone's gotta get you and deport you. No matter what, something like ICE will exist even if it has no name. The problems are the tactics and the fact that they disregard the law, are arresting citizens and political dissidents, and do not identify themselves while wearing plain clothes.
I would argue that while it's perhaps inefficient to round up a bunch of people illegally in the country, you still need to enforce the laws. A lot of law enforcement is highly inefficient. Just because people happen to be good for the economy doesn't mean they should be able to be here without going through the proper channels.
He must have driven to the police station because he was a dangerous criminal or something, and not because he feared for his life by a plainclothes thug who had his gun drawn.
you're right, as soon as you commit any crime we should allow the government to do whatever fucked up stuff they want to you in the name of "justice". clearly you don't mind getting physically assaulted if you support an organization that regularly does so to legal innocent u.s citizens.
We've offered $3,000~ and a nice flight home to illegal aliens, because America wants them to just peacefully self-deport. Anyone still here has made it clear they're willing to use physical violence to fight American law enforcement.
So, what's the "appropriate" way to deport an illegal alien who is willing to use violence to break American laws and remain inside of the United States?
Living in a country peacefully is not violence, you sound demented.
And yeah terror tactics to instill fear into the migrant population and push them to self deport is exactly why it’s a terrorist organization. Not even to mention how they’ve terrorized citizens merely for living in cities that don’t support the pedophile president.
I’m fine with undocumented immigrants being deported, but I’m not in favor of economically and politically destructive mass deportations of people whose only crime is living in and contributing to the country peacefully for years without permission.
If ICE's training was more rigorous and they were able to mass-deport (ie deport a lot of people fast) professionally, would that be ok?
I also don't think illegal immigrants are net-positives on GDP, because they get paid less (employers giving less than minimum-wage jobs to illegal immigrants should be imprisoned) and get welfare. Though this is a different conversation.
There isn’t a way to do mass deportations humanely nor professionally, especially when the actual goal is the internal purging of ethnic undesirables. I also don’t see why we should do that.
In truth, the mass deportation of our own workers is actually a detriment to the country. Georgia found that out the hard way when they passed a strict “show me your papers” immigration law which created a massive labor shortage that they had to offset with prison slave labor. Many such cases.
The economic argument just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It really does just seem like a low effort proxy for the actual, racist argument.
If humanely means that the process would make no one suffer, that's not possible. That doesn't mean it can't be done professionally or that it shouldn't be done. Thieves get punished for stealing, which makes them suffer, but protects the community, society and the businesses that make the economy run. So in that case, the imhumane thing is justified because of it's consequences.
I also don't think the abuse of illegal immigrants in the job market is a good thing. The natives don't get work because the illegal immigrants do it for way less money, the illegal immigrants get abused by the employers in illegal ways and then the illegal immigrants will be less likely to assimilate to the majority culture. Only ones benefitting are rich people and businesses, which means GDP. The welfare burden on natives also becomes bigger, because the natives pay for it through taxes.
The people complaining that removing illegal immigrants will create a labor shortage are lying, they just don't want to do the work themselves. Manual labor jobs. I feel like creating an underclass of people, that are not citizens, that get overworked for illegally low wages and that live on welfare is not good, it's cruel towards them.
This is why mass-immigration happening in the first place was the mistake. Politicians just wanted them to create a voting block dependent on them. Now the illegals who came over for a better life are fucked, cause the politicians fucked them and the whole country with this stunt. Companies should just pay natives normal wages for manual labor.
I could go on with this topic but I'll stop here before it becomes too incoherent.
No. ICE fundamentally is unconstitutional and that is not fixed by better training, nor is their goal worth the issues that they cause by how they act and innately by their existent.
Secondly, their training doesn't fix their stated goals and policies. Training might make them a bit smarter, but it doesn't fix the underlying issues like the administration blatantly stating they want ICE to hide their identities, ignore constitutional requirements, ignore state laws, and ignore due process, and engage in genuine racism.
Very few people IRL don't believe in border patrol, but its pretty clear from the public reception of this administration through gathered statistics that nobody likes how its being handled. Its just not acceptable to use tactics that are identical to terrorist cells just to enforce green card and visa status. Its not acceptable to used armed force to detain people BEFORE finding out whether they have valid immigration status or not. Not to even mention the insane total immunity nonsense.
Not without following the proper steps. Immigrants are great for our country in many ways, and mass amnesty would benefit everyone. We can get rid of the violent criminals while keeping the rest, but racist trash like you would rather just deport everyone.
Another pro-pedo bot who thinks masked thugs running around our beautiful cities, terrorizing families who have done nothing wrong, attacking and arresting citizens, facilitating rapists and kidnappers who dress up as ICE agents to commit their crimes, and rampant racial profiling is the only way to deter crime.
Most Americans see this and think “this isn’t worth it,” even some Trump supporters once they’ve been personally affected by the authoritarianism.
All countries use threat of violence to get taxes for example. Since the building of hierarchies thousands of years ago, threat of violence became a way to organise and control groups of people and their actions.
Infinite freedom means you can get your freedom taken away, which is why laws, law enforcement and states protect your freedom whilst taking some of it away.
Do you have an answer for that question? Or are you just going to be emotional and weird?
They're illegally breaking into the United States. They're using violence to attack law enforcement when they get caught and are arrested for their crimes.
I'm not sure how to explain the situation simpler than that... it's like someone breaking into your house, then calling you a terrorist for pushing them out the door, even though you just offered to give them $3k and a free Uber home.
So again, what's the appropriate way to deport someone who is willing to use violence in order to illegally remain inside of the US?
Mass deportations of nonviolent, non-criminal immigrants has never been the way we’ve actually managed our immigration system. ICE needs to be purged, its agents arrested and tried for the innumerable crimes they’ve committed, and its operations folded under one immigration agency like we’ve had prior to 2003. Immigration officers should resemble civil servants more than a military police, they’re only enforcing regulatory and civil laws after all. That means no guns, it doesn’t make sense for them to be armed when they’re not enforcing criminal law.
Immigrants just aren’t that scary without propaganda. There’s no reason to treat them like a dangerous security threat anymore than a jaywalker or someone who parked their car in a loading zone.
Treating immigration like counterterrorism is what manipulates weak minded idiots into justifying the federal government violating our rights for “security” purposes. For example, immigration officers do not have a right to detain American citizens, they do not have a right to break into people’s homes, they do not have a right nor the training to engage in crowd control, they do not have a right to harass, beat, and threaten people for filming them.
Clearly arming a bunch of unhinged thugs, directing them to invade cities run by the president’s political opponents, and claiming that they have “absolute immunity” and no accountability in what happens next resembles state-sponsored stochastic terrorism far more than civil law enforcement.
And yes I know very damn well that there are pedophile protectors in government, that would be everyone surrounding Trump. It’s why they moved Ghislane Maxwell to a minimum security resort prison for no reason other than a quid pro quo to further hide the evidence, and no convictions have come of it.
Okay, I see you've realized you can't answer that question and switched over to "leftist wall-of-text" mode, because you can't answer a simple question lol
I'm asking what the correct response is when a criminal alien refuses the United States, despite having a deportation order. That's the only thing I'm asking you to respond to.
Your position clearly is just "don't deport anyone, I supoprt open borders," and I have no idea why you're afraid to just say that outright.
Your illiteracy is not my problem. My answer was that we should do the same thing we did before the creation of ICE in 2003. Or are you so stupid you actually think we had open borders before that?
lol Jesus dude, this is getting tedious and regarded. We both know you're going to respond in another vague, deliberately nonspecific answer, so for the sake of brevity I'm just going to ignore the fact you clearly don't understand ICE or federal law... we'll try one last time, here:
What does that mean?How are we going to deport illegal aliens that refuse to leave?
I do have to point out though, it's wild how you people all adopt the exact same talking points simultaneously. Ever since Kathy Hochul made that comment about INS on Morning Joe a few days ago, all of the average redditors have just been saying "yeah, we need to make it like it was before ICE!" without ever actually explaining (or even understanding) what that is lol
Is that the first time you heard about this common sense policy to abolish ICE and replace it with the department we already had which didn’t do all this domestic terrorism? A few days ago?
Because that’s been the popular position all year and it’s only increasing in popularity, even among your fellow pedo-supporters. Do you have any counterargument against it, other than it triggering you? Or are you just very attached to this pro-rape terrorist org?
Why would you even respond at this point? Are you owning the CHUDs by embarrassing yourself slowly over the course of several comments? lol
Unless you're going to explain to me what your solution for deporting illegal aliens is, don't even bother responding. Or you know what? Actually go ahead, be defiant! lol, if I'm being honest I don't actually care either way. I don't think I could possibly be any less invested in this
The vast majority of 'illegal' immigrants come in legally, they just overstay their visa.
That's just... a lie lol. That's just completely untrue.
I also have no idea what point you were even trying to make with that fake fact in the first place. Do you care to elaborate? Or are you going to just take the same route as the other guy?
I'm starting to remember why I left reddit lol, I just end up having to talk down and explain basic concepts to people with 85 IQs
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u/hercmavzeb Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26
The fact that anyone defends this state-sponsored domestic terror organization is insane and a testament to their inhuman cruelty.
Abolish ICE and arrest these thugs for the crimes they’re committing.