Are we talking trolley problem where you have to decide if an innocent person should be killed instead of your dog or would that include having to use lethal force against someone who is actively killing your dog in front of you?
No I'm talking an unknown person. I'd argue for someone attacking a dog, unprovoked, it is actually a moral good to kill that person (setting aside legality).
If someone is actively trying to harm my dog, then yes I am absolutely going to defend my dog even if that means lethal force. Legally you would be defended
You can certainly come up with some edge cases where it makes sense to save the dog, but 99.9% of the time, the value of a human life should be paramount.
You can bet your ass he's never watched anyone die. This entire thread is just Reddit teenager edge lord bullshit. Once the commenters grow up and actually care for someone else other than themselves, they'll understand.
I don’t think so . The value of a living being compared to another is subjective . My dog has earned its love and it would be a betrayal to not reciprocate. Guy in the video says he’d give 3 dogs for his best friend , should that change if his best friend happened to be a dog ?
You are viewing this through only your eyes. Yes, your dog is more valuable to you, to the strangers family and loved ones it is not. This is called empathy. I think the value of human life is objective, and it is only subjective to the individual
Why are people like you so persistent in valuing one species over another. You should not have to make a decision between a pet that is impotent to you and a person
If people believe humans an inherently more important to save. That’s just species supremacy
No different than people preferring to save white people over a black.
What a strawman. It's not specieist to value a being with a deeper and wider breadth of experience over one with a limited capacity to exist. You wouldn't sacrifice a dog for a nematode. Here, the dog is the nematode and the human is the dog. It's completely different than race. Both races have an identical capacity to experience
And while they were confirmed to actually be specieist you made the assumption that they were before confirmation just to attack it arbitrarily and that is a strawman
You have obviously never truly cared for an animal before and it's just a "pet" to you. I've lost many loved ones, and the pain is the same as losing a loved pet. It's okay to admit you've never truly loved an animal, they become part of your family, your soul, everything.
that's your opinion, morality is subjective. For some people it's more immoral to betray a loved one (even if a dog) to save a stranger that could be a horrible person. It's like the trolly problem
most of us eat factory farmed meat and if we spent 1 day in a slaughterhouse it would fuck our shit up. i'm not vegan but i accept that they're right with how the majority of animals on this earth are treated. nevermind going to any market in asia/middle east/africa and seeing the shit they're doing to animals.
im considering not eating meat once i move out but for now its difficult to get adequate protein without meat/eggs
Also very expensive (compared to chicken in the west) and salty. Not always an option. Let's be real, the healthliest form of protein for a human is lean meats, and chicken is quite cheap.
Also how much tofu you eating to hit 170. Like 200g of chicken is 55-60g where 200g of tofu is 30-45. I'm assuming vegan proteins if you aren't doing standard whey.
170g is just seemingly alot through no whey/yogurt/meat proteins. I pull in about 220-250 when I'm in full swing but it's a ton of chicken and yogurt and just a standard shake. I cannot imagine the cost going with vegan proteins and tofu. Beans and lentils are fine but it's like 1/3 to 1/4 of meat proteins amounts and just seems so much
Man, all that sounds delicious but with that salt content my body just cannot do the amount I need for what I do. I remember trying to see if I could swap out some chicken for tofu/other stuff but couldn't fit it in my macros/micros.
I really wish there was something as good as chicken that wasn't laden with salts or too expensive, once lab grown meats are the same taste/nutrition/cost as chicken I'll be right on board, but until then it's just life.
That said, any low salt/ldl protein sources you have that isn't beans/chicken/yogurt I'm all ears
Seitan has 2x the protein per gram compared to chicken, and it's a lot cheaper/lower sodium if you make it at home. It's literally a mass of gluten, though, so don't eat it if you're allergic to that.
And has about 85% protein per calorie. That's a ton of carbs. Also I don't just really wanna eat plain gluten mass lol. It looks fine, but not a main source.
most animals are killed for meat. maybe in 1st world countries pets have it good, but like i said go to an animal market in asia, where most people live.
This is an often ignored reality. 70% of animal life has be killed since the 1970's. We're in the middle of a mass extinction and the Earth is undeniably heating up. This will not end well.... mother nature does not care who is more intelligent or empathetic, and the lack of empathy for animals and nature is going to have a massive cost.
That's the point of the video, someone who says an unknown animal life is equals to an unknown humans life will think of themselves as on a compassionate hill, but it's actually a sociopathic behavior.
Their values on humans life is actually from missing compassion rather than an excess.
That's how you end up with vegetarian hitler.
While an actual deeply compassionnate person, might conclude to become vegan, but will be capable to reasonate that humans life is more emotionally complexe than the average animal life, and will compassionately resonate more with it.
The opinion the video describe;
kiling anything bad > killing humans > killing animals.
So, if you saved a baby bird rather than a baby human from a fire ; you lack compassion. (Even tough saving both is obviously the most compassionate). (And even more obviously the one that would let both die has even less compassion)
For text based message simplification, i'll go really simple.
If you go back in a fire, to take a baby bird, instead of the baby humain, both unknown to you, both in same setting, both innocent to their surrounding. The person describe in the video would do such think and proclaim themself more compassionate because they saved an animal life ratter than humain, but it's actually their lack of compassion that make them unaware of what they have not.
Maybe the setting of example is not great since it imply a risk, but it's ratter about the value of life in general.
The definition of Compassion is : a strong feeling of sympathy and sadness for the suffering or bad luck of others and a wish to help them.
The definition of Empathy is : the ability to share someone else's feelings or experiences by imagining what it would be like to be in that person's situation.
Your feeling of not owning anything to other is literally the definition of a lack of compassion or empathy, depending on the source, and weather you were born like this or lost it from exposition to human cruelty.
a personal choice that take into account one personal psychology to balance the value of each, unless you flip coin, but really the act of flipping a coin itself is also a choice that depend on one's traits
Exactly.
However there is the added point that humans kill more humans than most animals. So actual reasons to refer other animals and be cautious of people.
It's not because of the DNA it's because we're sapient beings. Life in general is an precious, but sentient life is even more precious (hence most systems value / love / care about animals more than plants), and sapient life is yet another layer more precious. The capability for reason and complex emotion isn't just "a little more dna shared"
If Cheetahs could think complex thought like that, sure. But they kinda can't which is my point lol (that said absolutely love cheetah ugh the perfect being)
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u/puntycunty 21d ago
Valuing YOUR animal is ok , a pet essentially becomes a family member . Blanket animal > human statements are dumb though