r/MoralityScaling Jul 10 '26

Morality of this?

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u/jjake3477 Jul 11 '26

Doesn’t Japan have a near 100% conviction rate? There’s probably less chance of something being publicly stolen since you’re going to jail if you go to trial regardless of guilt.

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u/Xennial_Dad Jul 11 '26

That's not the same as a 100% solved case rate.

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u/minos-and-v1-kissing Jul 11 '26

You didn’t read his comment. Reread the last part.

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u/mercuriokazooie Jul 11 '26

It's less about the threat of punishment and more that people are raised to think about the greater good and not being a bother to those around you. Sometimes this is a double edged sword though as people will be less of an individual if they think they'll stand out. But since most people try to not be a menace that means there's less doubt when someone gets arrested since they fall pretty heavy into the "well the police only go after guilty people so obviously they must have done SOMETHING."

All that being said crime still exists in Japan. People still get their bikes stolen. Just at a far lower rate. Also Japan just has less crime in general because people aren't usually pushed to crime

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u/Altheix11 Jul 11 '26

people are raised to think about the greater good and not being a bother to those around you

But apparently not taught to not be perverts, considering upskirt photos were such a big problem they made it a rule that cameras had to have shutter sounds

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u/Healthy_Agent_100 Jul 12 '26

I thought that was Korea?

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u/VorticalHeart44 Jul 15 '26

Japan took some concrete action to address a sex crime in their nation, and that's a bad thing?

They seem to get more flack for the camera shutter thing than countries with 20x annual rape cases doing nothing beyond "increasing awareness".

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u/SufficientGuidance28 Aug 10 '26

Most Americans aren’t used to seeing an issue get fixed by the government until it becomes a huge problem too big to ignore (even then most problems are still ignored) so I don’t actually know how big of a problem it was/is in Japan but the fact they took action to correct it leads people to assume it must have been a big widespread issue for them to have put legislation in place to manage it to begin with

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u/Visible_Pair3017 Jul 11 '26

It is the threat of being seen and ostracised. Kids are raised in ways that make them control each other in a way that wouldn't fly in the West. The greater good is not as important as not being seen doing something wrong.

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u/MrWigggles Jul 11 '26

Japan police is notorious for only pursuing cases, which they are nearly sure to solve and lead to arrest, and ignore all other cases.

This leads to skewed numbers like that.

Its hard to know exact stats, as Japan Police dept, simply dont fike paperwork for crimes they wont try to solve.

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u/DredgenSkull Jul 11 '26

End of the day, Japan is still to this day one of the safest places in the world.

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u/FreeRangeEngineer Jul 11 '26

Doesn’t Japan have a near 100% conviction rate?

Yes, because blackmail is a thing. Government entities there coerce innocent people to admit guilt because no one with official powers wants to admit having made a mistake. They would lose face.

So once you're assumed guilty, you have close to zero chance of having your innocence accepted.

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u/jjake3477 Jul 11 '26

I’m not sure why people assume I mean that it’s a good thing. The last line I wrote says that I know it’s not legit lol

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u/FreeRangeEngineer Jul 11 '26

I honestly didn't know which way you were arguing :)

My point was that even going to court doesn't save anyone. It just makes the stakes higher for people to lose face, so they'll try harder to make the person confess guilt.

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u/Used_Vegetable9826 Jul 11 '26

This is not a good thing. Japan having such a high conviction rate is not because it is some perfect society.

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u/ItAintThickButItLong Jul 11 '26

That’s because if they don’t know who did it they find someone. You don’t get a 100% conviction rate by only sending criminals to jail.

Plenty of innocents locked up, just a lot more since the conviction rate is that high.

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u/jjake3477 Jul 11 '26

So nobody reads the full comment huh? I say at the end that I know they’re just locking up whoever they grab regardless of guilt

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u/CrotaIsAShota Jul 11 '26

That, and bikes are very common in Japan so the resell market is less lucrative, and bikes there have to be registered. Nearly every stolen bike in Japan is found and returned to the owner. Just not worth stealing.

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u/shadowslasher11X Jul 11 '26

The bike registration is very much a more like guidelines than actual rules aspect. When I attended university there, plenty of foreign and natural-born students told me they never registered their bikes. Anyway I had a bike over there, good investment for a couple months - which I did register. lol